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how would you define beginner, intermediate, advanced?

Postby Oldpeople » Sat Oct 04, 2014 4:54 am

I am wondering how everyone would define a beginner, an intermediate, an advanced, and an expert kiteboarder. Or for that matter what would you call the different levels. What would you consider to be the skill set for each level for unhooked/wakestyle riders and for hooked/airstyle riders?

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Re: how would you define beginner, intermediate, advanced?

Postby dyyylan » Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:56 am

In general/freeride:
beginner - learning to fly the kite, water starts, riding in both directions without falling
intermediate - comfortable at riding, maybe learning to jump
advanced - ride in most conditions, comfortable at boosting
expert - able to handle pretty much any condition and not die

wakestyle/freestyle:
beginner - unhooked anything
intermediate - landing blind, surface passes. maybe blind judge, something like that
advanced - more complex passes
expert - most complex passes, more rotations etc

waves:
beginner - learning to not fall off the surfboard
intermediate - turn on a wave
advanced - ride in challenging conditions, start unhooking
expert - big waves, challenging conditions and still be able to shred

oldschool:
beginner - jumping, grabs
intermediate - big jumps with spins
advanced - one footers, maybe a board off


just my opinion. of course someone can be advanced in one area and a beginner in another

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Re: how would you define beginner, intermediate, advanced?

Postby plummet » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:58 am

dyyylan wrote:In general/freeride:
beginner - learning to fly the kite, water starts, riding in both directions without falling
intermediate - comfortable at riding, maybe learning to jump
advanced - ride in most conditions, comfortable at boosting
expert - able to handle pretty much any condition and not die

wakestyle/freestyle:
beginner - unhooked anything
intermediate - landing blind, surface passes. maybe blind judge, something like that
advanced - more complex passes
expert - most complex passes, more rotations etc

waves:
beginner - learning to not fall off the surfboard
intermediate - turn on a wave
advanced - ride in challenging conditions, start unhooking
expert - big waves, challenging conditions and still be able to shred

oldschool:
beginner - jumping, grabs
intermediate - big jumps with spins
advanced - one footers, maybe a board off


just my opinion. of course someone can be advanced in one area and a beginner in another


Seems fairly representative.

On your scale I would make expert for general/freeride, beginner wake, amusingly both expert and beginner for wave... I don't ride a surfboard which makes me beginner. But I will ride any conditions the surfboard riders ride on my mutant and shred in my own mongo mutant way which makes me expert.... for oldstyle I'm a beginner.

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Re: how would you define beginner, intermediate, advanced?

Postby Eurus » Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:31 am

dyyylan wrote:In general/freeride:
beginner - learning to fly the kite, water starts, riding in both directions without falling
intermediate - comfortable at riding, maybe learning to jump
advanced - ride in most conditions, comfortable at boosting
expert - able to handle pretty much any condition and not die

wakestyle/freestyle:
beginner - unhooked anything
intermediate - landing blind, surface passes. maybe blind judge, something like that
advanced - more complex passes
expert - most complex passes, more rotations etc

waves:
beginner - learning to not fall off the surfboard
intermediate - turn on a wave
advanced - ride in challenging conditions, start unhooking
expert - big waves, challenging conditions and still be able to shred

oldschool:
beginner - jumping, grabs
intermediate - big jumps with spins
advanced - one footers, maybe a board off


just my opinion. of course someone can be advanced in one area and a beginner in another


That's a damn good grading scale.

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Re: how would you define beginner, intermediate, advanced?

Postby Toby » Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:06 am

oldschool:
beginner - jumping, grabs
intermediate - big jumps with spins
advanced - one footers, maybe a board off


I would say like this:

oldschool:
beginner - jumping, grabs
intermediate - medium jumps with grab, one max two rotation, one footers
advanced - board off, high jumps, rotations, one foots

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Re: how would you define beginner, intermediate, advanced?

Postby Peter_Frank » Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:10 am

Hmm, I would say intermediate riders can jump and spin without problems, eventhough sometimes and often crashing these yes :thumb:

Whereas advanced you can do these with your eyes closed, toeside landings too, and are working on higher jumps and kiteloops.

And expert, well, means you can do the latter, and oldschool tricks, easily and to perfection :rollgrin:


You have set the standard of general/freeride way too low, compared to the real world today IMO :wink:
(90% of kitesurfers are in this group I would say)

In 2001 the scale for general/freeride would match better, but not today where the level is so much higher, and most riders become intermediate quite fast, and stay there, or occasionally advanced, for the rest of their time :naughty:


Put shortly: If you can not jump at all, you are not intermediate yet.

Otherwise a good scaling :thumb:

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Re: how would you define beginner, intermediate, advanced?

Postby Hawaiis » Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:38 am

Beginner need help
Intermediate both help and need help
Advance only help

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Re: how would you define beginner, intermediate, advanced?

Postby Toby » Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:43 am

Hawaiis wrote:Beginner need help
Intermediate both help and need help
Advance only help



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Re: how would you define beginner, intermediate, advanced?

Postby Oldpeople » Sat Oct 04, 2014 5:43 pm

Dyylan's levels make a lot of sense but also gives me another question. Everywhere I have kited it seems that about 90% of the riders are just riding with only a few of those doing an occasional jump and even a smaller number doing a back roll. I would guess only about one in 10 or even one in 20 doing any harder tricks. Now the people out just riding are generally all riding comfortably and in control and have a far amount of experience so would not call them beginners. So if they are intermediate (and I think they seem to generally stay that way, never going on to harder tricks) I guess I would define anyone who progresses on to practice more tricks as "advanced kiteboarders"
Then I would break down the level in each discipline to beginner,intermediate and advanced.
So if you are working on simpler unhooked tricks or hooked tricks you would be an advanced kiteboarder but a beginner in that style
Does my impression of 90% just riding seem accurate where you ride? and if so, why is that?

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Re: how would you define beginner, intermediate, advanced?

Postby longbeachrider » Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:58 pm

By IKO standards, once you can toeside on a twintip, you are basically an advanced rider. I agree with this since now you choose to do what is appropriate for you and the sites you kite at...

This may mean twintip tricks flat water, surfing/surfboard carving, or maybe complex long distance riding, along with kiting (launching/landing) in highly variable conditions.

Just by geographical location, many kiters will never experience the full range of ocean, lake, and land (snow) options available.


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