RRD Cotan vs Firewire Vanguard

[ulx]

I'd recommend the cotan over the vanguard simply for the construction. FCS fin boxes just are not unto the forces of kitesurfing. The Futures with larger futures fin boxes are going to be stronger ...

First, I have FCS II on all my boards at the moment and am very happy about it. The system doesn´t seem to be fragile at all.

Second, who says you have to buy rrd to get the board with Futures? A friend of mine has a vanguard (and is very happy with it) which has Futures.

[simokite]

Honestly save some dollars and go get on a vanguard.
Its the real thing everyone is trying to copy. It is priced very well compared to other kite models and actually works.

https://vimeo.com/112225080

Felix in Italy Vanguard is practically not available and the other brands sell their products with a very aggressive pricing policy...so this is why I' m looking for a copy....

[felixp]

Hi Simon,
PM me your email and I will get you set up with the right guy to contact.
Get the real thing before you waste money on marketing hype.
I have seen it here in Hawaii and have seen many guys who have made that mistake - In the end coming back for true VG.
Pay once and know you get something that works.
Just giving my honest opinion from witnessing to many guys going the wrong way.
Regards
Felix

[FredBGG]

Hi Simon,
PM me your email and I will get you set up with the right guy to contact.
Get the real thing before you waste money on marketing hype.
I have seen it here in Hawaii and have seen many guys who have made that mistake - In the end coming back for true VG.
Pay once and know you get something that works.
Just giving my honest opinion from witnessing to many guys going the wrong way.
Regards
Felix

Isn't this exactly marketing hype?

"the real thing" "true VG"

Some use experiences here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsjsYcZqykA
Read the comments...

[madworld]

Hi Simon,
PM me your email and I will get you set up with the right guy to contact.
Get the real thing before you waste money on marketing hype.
I have seen it here in Hawaii and have seen many guys who have made that mistake - In the end coming back for true VG.
Pay once and know you get something that works.
Just giving my honest opinion from witnessing to many guys going the wrong way.
Regards
Felix

Isn't this exactly marketing hype?

"the real thing" "true VG"

Some use experiences here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsjsYcZqykA

Read the comments...

That is an old video. I had a firewire 6.0 kite version is was fine.

[sckitesurf]

Fredd how many times have you been out on the Vanguard? Or have you not ridden it yet and just basing your opinion on no actual experience or data research on the desig? You would think that if 11 time ASP champion Kelly Slater (I'm assuming you have heard of him) is making public statements that this shape is "the future" and "getting the rocker right" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Z0OVyKEKI it's a little more than just hype/cutoff nose/tail. And this was over two years ago! If the Vanguard is simply just another board with a cutoff tail and nose then why are a number of kite companies trying to duplicate it? I think Felix's point is that there's a significant difference and if your going to spend money on a new concept, why wouldn't you put it with the original proven design and not interpretation that's not nearly the same ride?

[rightguard]

But what does Kelly use...

[FredBGG]

Hi Simon,
PM me your email and I will get you set up with the right guy to contact.
Get the real thing before you waste money on marketing hype.
I have seen it here in Hawaii and have seen many guys who have made that mistake - In the end coming back for true VG.
Pay once and know you get something that works.
Just giving my honest opinion from witnessing to many guys going the wrong way.
Regards
Felix

Isn't this exactly marketing hype?

"the real thing" "true VG"

Some use experiences here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsjsYcZqykA

Read the comments...

That is an old video. I had a firewire 6.0 kite version is was fine.

Old video, but many recent comments.

[FredBGG]

Fredd how many times have you been out on the Vanguard? Or have you not ridden it yet and just basing your opinion on no actual experience or data research on the desig? You would think that if 11 time ASP champion Kelly Slater (I'm assuming you have heard of him) is making public statements that this shape is "the future" and "getting the rocker right" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Z0OVyKEKI it's a little more than just hype/cutoff nose/tail. And this was over two years ago! If the Vanguard is simply just another board with a cutoff tail and nose then why are a number of kite companies trying to duplicate it? I think Felix's point is that there's a significant difference and if your going to spend money on a new concept, why wouldn't you put it with the original proven design and not interpretation that's not nearly the same ride?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Z0OVyKEKI

Kelly Slater in the video said: "but all you are doing is kinda chopping a foot off the nose pretty much"

[Da Yoda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Z0OVyKEKI

Kelly Slater in the video said: "but all you are doing is kinda chopping a foot off the nose pretty much"

You obviously suffer from selective hearing. Yes, Kelly says it's "pretty much" a chopped off nose, but Kelly couldn't have said it (backed it up) any clearer...
"... he's (Tomo) got a really straight rail-line, and it's just about getting the rocker right to fit the wave".

Please watch this video (possibly again)... http://vimeo.com/112225080
Study it, learn it, believe it! Daniel knows what the f*** he's taking about. He's not a stupid sales rep trying to bs you to get you to buy this board. His MPH boards are a culmination of science, craft, and innovation that's not been implemented in surfboard design. For Kelly to give credit to this design (given his position in the surfing world), it supports the fact that Daniel has created something that is NOT just a chopped off surfboard as you so adamantly believe.

Fred, your PMU "ignore the lies" attitude about the Vanguard is strange and you seem to avoid answering the most important question - have you ridden the Vanguard? Please go ride this board, then come back and join the club. Your resistance is futile.