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Re: Death Looping Kites...how to stop them?

Postby alamos_kiter » Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:30 pm

I'm sure it can be done. Only problem is R&D cost, as somebody mentioned. This is a tricky device, the standard is quite high, malfunction is life threatening either way, if it fires through a mega loop, or doesn't fire when it counts. Must not contain explosives either as you want to air travel with it, asf.

Not my cup of tea, but good luck.

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Re: Death Looping Kites...how to stop them?

Postby Frank82 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:49 am

Still kooking hmm?

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Re: Death Looping Kites...how to stop them?

Postby jaystore » Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:53 pm

This solution should solve one problem. If one back line is tangled around the bar it will spin as soon as there is pull. Let see if some brand will test this solution and come back with a feedback.
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Re: Death Looping Kites...how to stop them?

Postby windrupted » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:29 pm

Toby wrote:if I see someone death looping I will try to save them. Sure, prevention if possible.
That's why I also ride an 18 ! no death looping there!

I initially had the idea of hitting the looping kite with my board...this way I wouldn't get into trouble myself, specially when trying to catch it...

Using a knife and cutting lines is another tuff task to do while your kite is up.

So, we also need to talk about what the bystander can do, not only the person in trouble.
Yes, as you 1st stated in the title of your Original Post: You were wondering, how could I have helped that person being dragged to their death? Right? Shouting release! at them might not work because if they haven't released already there might be some reason. Only 3 more loops and the poor unfortunate person gets rammed headfirst into THE FEEDING CHUTE OF A GIANT REVVED UP TREE CHIPPER! I gotta do something quickly! I can see the poor soul is frantically thumbing his remote kite exploder but as luck would have it, the battery has gone flat.

I have found most realistic, effective way is put yourself at risk by going straight for the kite and grabbing it by the leading edge and dragging it upwind.

It's sometimes not that difficult, but you don't want to miss that 1st attempt. In most cases it's the quickest sure fire way to neutralize a looping kite. I have grabbed kites that way while flying mine (had to). Fellow kiters have done the same for me a few times as well. So far so good. I guess if its freewheeling in 40 knots theres no way, but in most cases the kite is catching on the sand or water briefly and thats when you can get it.

THEN you can go scold the guy for not ditching. I guess this method could go horribly wrong. But with that much adrenaline running, in my experience, you catch the kite and it's done.

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Re: Death Looping Kites...how to stop them?

Postby windrupted » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:03 am

Frank 82. Many of us are kooks from time to time. I would like to speak to you, privately.

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Re: Death Looping Kites...how to stop them?

Postby Frank82 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:31 am

windrupted wrote:Frank 82. Many of us are kooks from time to time. I would like to speak to you, privately.
Uh no, there's beginners and then there's kooks. Kooks are people who aren't supposed to be kiting in the first place, they don't know anything about the gear they ride, have no common sense and just act like morons. Beginners are just inexperienced and will progress over time.

The people who usually get into trouble are kooks like the guy in the vid from cape town who uses a north vegas while he clearly has no idea what he's doing.

Other kooks are guys wearing full safety rig including helmets, vests, sunglasses, boardleashes and whatever other crap they can attach to their harnasses. They usually mow the lawn and turn without looking, they have no idea about the rules of sailing and get into panic mode when something happens.

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Re: Death Looping Kites...how to stop them?

Postby pmaggie » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:43 am

@wstrange: good idea!
@alamos: at the moment, your life depends on less than an additional safety device. It's like saying for your car "do my life depend on an airbag?". Do you think it's better without it?

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Re: Death Looping Kites...how to stop them?

Postby cichenlùp » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:01 pm

jaystore wrote:This solution should solve one problem. If one back line is tangled around the bar it will spin as soon as there is pull. Let see if some brand will test this solution and come back with a feedback.
It's not supposed to solve any problem, but sure it would be a huge step... why does any brand has not been working on it yet?

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Re: Death Looping Kites...how to stop them?

Postby alamos_kiter » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:15 pm

cichenlùp wrote:.... why does any brand has not been working on it yet?
The solutions are all out there. BRM has a bar / harness combo suitable for 99% of the riders - those who don't ride unhooked - which takes away the main issues:
- no hook
- no raised bar ends
- no floaters where things get stuck,
- no dangling leash

On top, it's KISS design, and anybody with just a little skill could make one him- or herself for 30 bucks, with any old bar and a bit of dyneema from ebay, if you didn't have the money to buy a BRM one. Don't buy a kite known to be prone for death loops, hone your skill, and that's about it.

The gear its not the issue. It's awareness. You just can't make people open their eyes.

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Re: Death Looping Kites...how to stop them?

Postby Do-it » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:56 pm

Frank82 wrote:
windrupted wrote:Frank 82. Many of us are kooks from time to time. I would like to speak to you, privately.
Uh no, there's beginners and then there's kooks. Kooks are people who aren't supposed to be kiting in the first place, they don't know anything about the gear they ride, have no common sense and just act like morons. Beginners are just inexperienced and will progress over time.

The people who usually get into trouble are kooks like the guy in the vid from cape town who uses a north vegas while he clearly has no idea what he's doing.

Other kooks are guys wearing full safety rig including helmets, vests, sunglasses, boardleashes and whatever other crap they can attach to their harnasses. They usually mow the lawn and turn without looking, they have no idea about the rules of sailing and get into panic mode when something happens.
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