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Re: Don't show us your hook

Postby alford » Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:26 pm

snowycreek wrote:
Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:19 pm
I use a pivot instad of slider. 5 years now. I tried both and found no advantage to the slider over the pivot. I agree that the big benefit comes from getting rid of the hook and chicken loop. It seems to me that the vast majority of hookless kiters became hookless via a slider set-up and assume that it is the slider that provides the benefits. I'm not saying that a slider won't work just fine but a ring larksheaded to the center of the spreader bar gives all the same benefits without any wear issues.
Snowy, can you provide a quick photo of your setup? I'm pretty sure I understand what you're describing but a photo would be great. What line diameter do you use? Amsteel? Is twisting an issue? Thanks!

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Re: Don't show us your hook

Postby iriejohn » Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:27 pm

I have used both a ring and rope on my harness (Dynabar). I prefer rope for the increased freedom of movement.

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Re: Don't show us your hook

Postby Mitaka » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:48 pm

I use this combination setup since November 2014 where I have a sliding and a pivot ring on my Dynabar V8. For the rope of the pivot ring I drilled a hole just in the middle of the bar.

When foiling I always use the slider since I do a lot of switch stance foiling, carving, playing with waves and it definitely helps for the extreme upwind angles.

For surfboard riding I use the slider or the pivot ring depending on the conditions. Pivot - when I prefer more precise kite control and slider when I prefer more waist freedom. Most of the time I am using the pivot ring.
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Re: Don't show us your hook

Postby alford » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:16 am

Mitaka wrote:
Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:48 pm
I use this combination setup since November 2014 where I have a sliding and a pivot ring on my Dynabar V8. For the rope of the pivot ring I drilled a hole just in the middle of the bar.

When foiling I always use the slider since I do a lot of switch stance foiling, carving, playing with waves and it definitely helps for the extreme upwind angles.

For surfboard riding I use the slider or the pivot ring depending on the conditions. Pivot - when I prefer more precise kite control and slider when I prefer more waist freedom. Most of the time I am using the pivot ring.
I'm thinking a ring on a short length of Amsteel but use with small Slingshot chicken loop. Not to get bar closer but to have the freedom of pivot , eliminate the donkey stick and like the idea of using QR before every session.
Anyone else try this?

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Re: Don't show us your hook

Postby randycasburn » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:03 am

alford wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:16 am
Anyone else try this?
Yes, but with a Cabrinha bar. I use a SS ring centered on my spreader bar (I chose to us Dyneema rather than Amsteel) and also have a SS ring on a slider rope tied at both ends of my spreader bar. I use a Cabrinha Fireball bar and throw away the ball & stick part. I connect the QR directly to either one of the two rings. So I have either a fixed (but full pivot) connection, or a slider connection. Works flawlessly.

Hope that all makes sense.

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Re: Don't show us your hook

Postby snowycreek » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:22 am

Here are a couple of pictures of the rings I attach to my spreader bar. You will see that I have welded a half ring on the bottom of the spreader br to keep the pivot in the middle. There are other ways of doing this but I happen to have had a welder handy. The thick ring on the black line in the second picture is a rappel ring, a few dollars on ebay that I use with a wichard shackle. The other on orange line is a smaller ring that I use with a Cabrinha mushroom release. These days, I am favoring the wichard but whatever, they will both work just fine.

I use 3/16" or I think it's 4 mm dyneema. The black line is thicker but I was just messing around with it. Almost anything will work. First I put the line through the ring then thread the line through itself, one side then the other 3 or 4 times. I then take the two tails and bury them into each other to make the loop. It is a short bury so I lock stitch it and then lark's head it over the spreader bar. It is not the most elegant of splices but it works very well.

BTW, I do not use a spreader bar pad as it is not needed once the hook is gone. Simplicity is my driver.
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Re: Don't show us your hook

Postby BigZ » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:59 am

This is my contraption
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No modification to the standard Ozone chicken loop. Although it looks like the line may slip off the ring it has not happened yet - even during major wipe-outs. Did not work that well with my other bar which has a larger chicken loop.

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Re: Don't show us your hook

Postby snowycreek » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:09 am

http://www.mysticboarding.com/products/ ... lor_000000

So, you guys all know that Mystic has a slider spreader bar for sale now right? No my cup of tea but for those that want to get into the slider thing without tinkering,...

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Re: Don't show us your hook

Postby alford » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:16 pm

randycasburn wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:03 am
alford wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:16 am
Anyone else try this?
Yes, but with a Cabrinha bar. I use a SS ring centered on my spreader bar (I chose to us Dyneema rather than Amsteel) and also have a SS ring on a slider rope tied at both ends of my spreader bar. I use a Cabrinha Fireball bar and throw away the ball & stick part. I connect the QR directly to either one of the two rings. So I have either a fixed (but full pivot) connection, or a slider connection. Works flawlessly.

Hope that all makes sense.
Yes, that makes a ton of sense. The Cab QR is small, light and simple. The ring for safety line is in a good spot too. Using it with a simple ring is a great call, all the benefits of the Fireball but in a simpler setup.
How do you like the Cab lines? Do they remain equal length for a reasonable amount of time?

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Re: Don't show us your hook

Postby peppedurso » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:34 pm

Hi everyone,

After couple of years riding with a custom bari decided to switch to Cabrinha Fireball. Took the lower part away and this is the result. Thinking about changing the connection system to a BRM style system (loop and knot) to avoid activating the release every time I need to connect and disconnect.

Cheers Peppe
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