Forum for kitesurfers
-
Mitaka
- Frequent Poster
- Posts: 202
- Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:00 pm
- Style: wave riding
- Gear: Cabrinha Drifter, BRM Cloud D0, F-One MITU, KETOS foil
-
Has thanked:
5 times
-
Been thanked:
5 times
Postby Mitaka » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:56 pm
evan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:12 pm
Did they change the production of the Premiumropes kitelines? The samples i got had a really flat crossection, more like 1x3mm for the 1,6mm line.
Both 1 mm and 1,6 mm are flat as new (around 1x2 mm for the 1,6). Probably they will get round after some use.
-
Regis-de-giens
- Very Frequent Poster
- Posts: 2006
- Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:58 pm
- Weight: 62 kg
- Local Beach: France: St Laurent du Var, Cannes, Almanarre
- Style: 62 kg , light wind, waves
- Gear: Conceptair pulsion 18&15&12S, OR Flite 10m , Airush One 9&6, peak 5M , Rally 6, Elf 11 &7, 19m2 single skin proto.
foil Ketos, RCS Supreme, TBK Mana, snowskis, kite-boat
- Brand Affiliation: None
-
Has thanked:
266 times
-
Been thanked:
351 times
Postby Regis-de-giens » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:51 pm
evan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:31 pm
Had a sample of
sk99 Liros DC161/DC pro that should be 160kg but could not get it above 130kg when spliced due to the fact it was a 8-strand line. DSM doesn't sypply the same thin yarns as the older SK-75 yet so the only way to get a thinner line than 1,1mm is to make it a 8-strand line and sadly that doesn't hold up to 12-strand versions when spliced.
On the 1.1mm 12-strand SK99 line i get around 300kg breaking strength when spliced so i didn't bother to take the 0.8mm one on stock as the difference in thickness i measure myself was too little too loose more than 50% breaking strength.
300kg SK99 line i have on stock:
http://www.en.infexion.nl/shop/accessor ... per-meter/
Thanks, very interesting ; do you think that sk99 Liros DC161/DC pro are the 0.8mm diam that FS is describing, or do they use a grade that cannot be bought on the market ? It is really too expensive on FS website ...
Otherwise I will go for the 1mm, thanks Mitaka (but I do not need it and looking for the lightest weight possible and 130 kg would be enough on the rear lines for my weight, with few margin , I know but it works currently with 70 kg lines, so ...)
-
Mossy 757
- Very Frequent Poster
- Posts: 1860
- Joined: Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:10 pm
- Local Beach: First Landing State Park, Virginia Beach Oceanfront
- Style: Kitefoil
- Gear: Delta Hydrofoil and board. Cabrinha Velocity 9m, Flysurfer Sonic2 11m, Ozone R1V2 15m
-
Has thanked:
41 times
-
Been thanked:
71 times
Postby Mossy 757 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:05 pm
https://greenhatkiteboarding.com/liros- ... -per-meter
Even though this says SK75 in the link, it's SK99...Vadim (the owner) and I talked about this a lot and Liros doesn't make a 1.1mm line set with a 267daN break strength and this was labeled as such. Great stuff, really easy to splice. I used it for my front and rear lines, could feel an immediate difference when riding coming from a much thicker line.
-
Regis-de-giens
- Very Frequent Poster
- Posts: 2006
- Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:58 pm
- Weight: 62 kg
- Local Beach: France: St Laurent du Var, Cannes, Almanarre
- Style: 62 kg , light wind, waves
- Gear: Conceptair pulsion 18&15&12S, OR Flite 10m , Airush One 9&6, peak 5M , Rally 6, Elf 11 &7, 19m2 single skin proto.
foil Ketos, RCS Supreme, TBK Mana, snowskis, kite-boat
- Brand Affiliation: None
-
Has thanked:
266 times
-
Been thanked:
351 times
Postby Regis-de-giens » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:14 pm
evan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:31 pm
Had a sample of
sk99 Liros DC161/DC pro that should be 160kg but could not get it above 130kg when spliced due to the fact it was a 8-strand line. DSM doesn't sypply the same thin yarns as the older SK-75 yet so the only way to get a thinner line than 1,1mm is to make it a 8-strand line and sadly that doesn't hold up to 12-strand versions when spliced.
Evan, which kind of splice did you make when break-testing it ? either a "double crossed" (autoblocking type) or a "simple path" splice (with the rope entering directly in the core of the other, FS type) because it will impact the breaking load of the loop.
BTW I am still surprised to find neither the FS 0.8mm SK99 line nor the Ozone 0.9mm Sk99 lines on the market. Shame. Otherwise I can go for 1.0mm SK99 for front lines and 0.9 mm or 1mm Sk75 or 78 on rear lines for cost saving .
-
evan
- Very Frequent Poster
- Posts: 1171
- Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:48 pm
- Kiting since: 2002
- Local Beach: Brouwersdam
- Style: Hydrofoil - Big Air
- Gear: Infexion bars
- Brand Affiliation: Infexion
-
Has thanked:
13 times
-
Been thanked:
339 times
-
Contact:
Postby evan » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:12 pm
Regis-de-giens wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:14 pm
evan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:31 pm
Had a sample of
sk99 Liros DC161/DC pro that should be 160kg but could not get it above 130kg when spliced due to the fact it was a 8-strand line. DSM doesn't sypply the same thin yarns as the older SK-75 yet so the only way to get a thinner line than 1,1mm is to make it a 8-strand line and sadly that doesn't hold up to 12-strand versions when spliced.
Evan, which kind of splice did you make when break-testing it ? either a "double crossed" (autoblocking type) or a "simple path" splice (with the rope entering directly in the core of the other, FS type) because it will impact the breaking load of the loop.
BTW I am still surprised to find neither the FS 0.8mm SK99 line nor the Ozone 0.9mm Sk99 lines on the market. Shame. Otherwise I can go for 1.0mm SK99 for front lines and 0.9 mm or 1mm Sk75 or 78 on rear lines for cost saving .
Just a normal straight stitched splice of 25-30cm with a good tapered end, although stitching is not necessary for strength as the splice does not slip under load when it is this long.
-
Regis-de-giens
- Very Frequent Poster
- Posts: 2006
- Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:58 pm
- Weight: 62 kg
- Local Beach: France: St Laurent du Var, Cannes, Almanarre
- Style: 62 kg , light wind, waves
- Gear: Conceptair pulsion 18&15&12S, OR Flite 10m , Airush One 9&6, peak 5M , Rally 6, Elf 11 &7, 19m2 single skin proto.
foil Ketos, RCS Supreme, TBK Mana, snowskis, kite-boat
- Brand Affiliation: None
-
Has thanked:
266 times
-
Been thanked:
351 times
Postby Regis-de-giens » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:23 pm
Ok so indeed that is already the best you can do if your tapered end is long.
Normally you should reach higher than 80 % of the breaking load. That is strange.
-
evan
- Very Frequent Poster
- Posts: 1171
- Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:48 pm
- Kiting since: 2002
- Local Beach: Brouwersdam
- Style: Hydrofoil - Big Air
- Gear: Infexion bars
- Brand Affiliation: Infexion
-
Has thanked:
13 times
-
Been thanked:
339 times
-
Contact:
Postby evan » Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:29 pm
Weird indeed because I get my SK99-500 line up to 622kg and the SK99-300 up to 321kg load when breaking at the tapered part of the splice with all tests well above the factory breaking loads.
-
Regis-de-giens
- Very Frequent Poster
- Posts: 2006
- Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:58 pm
- Weight: 62 kg
- Local Beach: France: St Laurent du Var, Cannes, Almanarre
- Style: 62 kg , light wind, waves
- Gear: Conceptair pulsion 18&15&12S, OR Flite 10m , Airush One 9&6, peak 5M , Rally 6, Elf 11 &7, 19m2 single skin proto.
foil Ketos, RCS Supreme, TBK Mana, snowskis, kite-boat
- Brand Affiliation: None
-
Has thanked:
266 times
-
Been thanked:
351 times
Postby Regis-de-giens » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:34 pm
I just bought some 1mm SK99 for the rear lines at premium-ropes, thanks for the link.
Still interested if someone if selling its "old" rear Flysurfer race lines set at a good price that would not be suitable for competition any more. Even broken lines
KR
-
Regis-de-giens
- Very Frequent Poster
- Posts: 2006
- Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:58 pm
- Weight: 62 kg
- Local Beach: France: St Laurent du Var, Cannes, Almanarre
- Style: 62 kg , light wind, waves
- Gear: Conceptair pulsion 18&15&12S, OR Flite 10m , Airush One 9&6, peak 5M , Rally 6, Elf 11 &7, 19m2 single skin proto.
foil Ketos, RCS Supreme, TBK Mana, snowskis, kite-boat
- Brand Affiliation: None
-
Has thanked:
266 times
-
Been thanked:
351 times
Postby Regis-de-giens » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:51 pm
I found my 0.8 mm SK99 lines , great ;
Now I need to splice them and need tips !
My last 0.8 mm line I did a auto-bloquing splice (one line crossing the other and vice-versa like this :
but result is not as strong ; so I would like a direct splice
( i.e. inserting the line in the core of the line along 15 cm like this :
I regularly do it up to 1.5 mm lines but 0.8 mm will be tricky ; anyone of you already did it have having good tips (except usual guitar spring or D-splicer method) ? as far as I remember 4 years ago on pansh line, it was a nighmare with their thin lines extensions !
-
iriejohn
- Very Frequent Poster
- Posts: 2618
- Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:04 pm
- Weight: 80kg, 1.78m
- Local Beach: West & East Wittering (UK South Coast)
- Style: Make it up as I go along
- Gear: Bars, Kites
Twintips, Directional
- Brand Affiliation: None
- Location: Noviomagus Reginorum
-
Has thanked:
554 times
-
Been thanked:
284 times
Postby iriejohn » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:34 pm
I have 0.62mm and 0.81mm Goodridge stainless locking wire left over from the days when I had to lockwire my motorcycles for circuit racing.
For thin rope splicing I've found that 0.62 is a little too flexible and 0.81mm works fine with 2mm Dyneema but I have never tried to splice 0.8mm Dyneema!
I would suggest that you take your rope to a nearby motorcyle workshop and try what lockwire they have then buy a short length from them.
https://www.goodridge.co.uk/products/lock-wire
Return to “Kitesurfing”
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: ak200, alekbelia, alford, Baidu [Spider], droffats, elrizo, funalex, Google [Bot], knotwindy, Pitu, purdyd, suisd12, Windigo1, Xtream, zegermans and 545 guests