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Re: my first deathloop in +30 knots

Postby johnm » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:56 pm

regards what you just quoted - i was specifically talking about the common experience of most people who handlepass - that as you come out of the pass - sometimes you notice INSTANTLY - that your big fat black leash has got snagged on the end of the bar

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Re: my first deathloop in +30 knots

Postby edt » Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:30 pm

Sure absolutely there are some situations where you don't have to think. But there are other situations where you suggest thinking and figuring out what the kite is doing and what the bar is doing, and in these particular situations it is very difficult to figure out what is going on. That's what I don't like. Thinking is slow. Not saying it's wrong, just that I don't like it. I used to have all sorts of responses for all sorts of situations but I have gradually thrown them away because I didn't like how much it slowed down my reaction time. Now I just keep it to very basic responses. Which is actually kind of weird. Because when I first started that's how I was, I had very simple responses. Then when I was an intermediate kiter I had all sorts of responses based on all kinds of different situations. But with more experience I have gone back to same simple responses that I learned when I first started.

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Re: my first deathloop in +30 knots

Postby matth » Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:55 pm

edt wrote:Sure absolutely there are some situations where you don't have to think. But there are other situations where you suggest thinking and figuring out what the kite is doing and what the bar is doing, and in these particular situations it is very difficult to figure out what is going on. That's what I don't like. Thinking is slow. Not saying it's wrong, just that I don't like it. I used to have all sorts of responses for all sorts of situations but I have gradually thrown them away because I didn't like how much it slowed down my reaction time. Now I just keep it to very basic responses. Which is actually kind of weird. Because when I first started that's how I was, I had very simple responses. Then when I was an intermediate kiter I had all sorts of responses based on all kinds of different situations. But with more experience I have gone back to same simple responses that I learned when I first started.

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Re: my first deathloop in +30 knots

Postby herbert » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:43 pm

For those who don't unhook, I think this reduces the risk of some of the problems discussed along the way in this thread...(those related to spreader bar hook, bull-horn bar ends, hanging leashes, releases hard to reach, two actions always needed to completely lose the kite):
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Re: my first deathloop in +30 knots

Postby johnm » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:15 am

longwhitecloud wrote:what i'd REALLY like to see happen going forward is for KITE MANUFACTURERS - to take ownership of this known issue and DESIGN IT OUT.
i been banging on about this here for years...

you can see some of the people that died or critical from deathloops here : dont even bother opening the link if you dont like that kind of stuff :-)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... h0M1-nAmM/
Do you maintain that spreadsheet? I tried to add a comment but not sure if it worked.

namely the fatality at Hunstanton last year was 7.3.15 and was due to a deathloop following a wipeout and was on an F-One bandit

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Re: my first deathloop in +30 knots

Postby longwhitecloud » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:34 am

Yup, doesn't surprise me, those piece of s5it designed fone kites shouldn't be on this earth IMO.

added what you wrote to the cell thx :-)

i been updating this with help from many others for a couple of years now - anyone see a pattern... i do - 5hit kite design that actually greatly increases the risk of deathlooping kites.

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Re: my first deathloop in +30 knots

Postby dimip » Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:46 am

Had similar situation last week but Kite didn't loop. Just pulling and it flied 1 meter or so flipped above water. Quick release pulled ,Kite still pulls hard so second release pulled but didn't let go because where I was going out not enough place and power cables. When I was reaching the reef I placed my board under me. And finally when I reached swallow water ,( here it makes huge difference low V bar) I grabbed one middle line Kite looped powerless and walked all the way up.
The windsurfers just looking noone came to grab my Kite,even they knew above me where the power cables.

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Re: my first deathloop in +30 knots

Postby romkite » Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:19 am

I did not read the whole thread so sorry if this as been discussed before ..
Your kite was not properly inflated from what I saw in the the video and this doesn't help whne you kite starts turing aound like that.

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Re: my first deathloop in +30 knots

Postby mbevo » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:02 am

romkite wrote:I did not read the whole thread so sorry if this as been discussed before ..
Your kite was not properly inflated from what I saw in the the video and this doesn't help whne you kite starts turing aound like that.
Could be the cold water - happened to me going from like 8psi to almost soft when the air temp is like 70 and water temp is like 40.

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Re: my first deathloop in +30 knots

Postby longwhitecloud » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:49 am

"happened to me going from like 8psi to almost soft when the air temp is like 70 and water temp is like 40." interesting!


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