I'd love to get you, Argh and Starsky on the early bird demo list if interested... let's get your thoughts once you've used the bar!
Wtf am I....real bacon?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha - solid Canadian back bacon Do-it. I assumed we had you on the early bird list already. I have added you now...
sabraxas wrote:A few questions, OR sales:
¿What is the real purpose to replace the clamcleat with this trimming system?
¿What is the real advantage of this system vs clamcleat?
¿How quickly can you depower the bigger kites with this system?
Its seems to me a little bit weird to power/depower the kite in one far end of the bar, instead in the center part of it.
I would like to test the Stick Shift Bar.
Sabraxas - This system may not be for everyone and as such, we will always keep a version of our current Control Bar in the line up. However, to address your questions we feel this system offers a number of very specific benefits. In no particular order they are:
- Front lines carry more load. This makes trim adjustment harder and forces you to cleat and uncleat a trim line which is under a lot of load. This adds wear and tear to the cleat line and it means that if you slip, the bar goes to full power
- Back lines carry much less load - this means that it is much easier to adjust their settings, even when under full sail and without changing your course. Also, the spool winder is held in place with a retaining pin. When you bump the winder, it moves off the pin and lets the winder unspool. This means the trim line itself is never abused by a cleat.
- This winder is now always within reach and is very easy to turn, about as hard as turning a doorknob. Traditional front line trim systems above the bar are often out of reach, especially for shorter armed riders. Longer arms can reach the trim but then, of course, they also get frustrated by the lack of sheeting range their arms would otherwise have afforded them.
- This system lets you set the sliding stopper ball anywhere you want with no concern of front line trim interfering. This gives you massive sheeting range if you want it or less if you don't
- The front line re-ride safety systems that are standard on all bars these days often are complicated by potential tangles or snags with the front line trim adjustment. By removing this from the front lines, we help ensure a safe eject every time
- The winder mechanism advances in 1/4 rotational turns. This gives you 2cm of traditional trim adjustment per 1/4 rotation. This results in the ability to micro tune your kites power while under full sail. Not sure if you mountain bike but a few years ago someone came up with an automatic seat height adjustor. A button on your bar would raise or lower your seat post. I laughed... who would ever use that!?!? Ha ha ha ha. Then I went for a 2 hour ride with one and used it like 100 times. Once you have the ability to micro adjust as you're riding, you never go back.
foilholio wrote:I like the look of this bar a lot. It looks cleaner for some reason than the north one. Yet to be seen which works better and is more reliable. I do prefer a nice round bar and not something interrupting it like this U. I think having used auto unspin and bearings a lot on my flysurfers the square depower auto unspin on the north is going to create annoyances and issues, so I prefer this bar for avoiding that. The knob on this bar does look a bit big and I would prefer the north bar end maybe. If the knob was smaller I would have less issue with it.
These things are going to take many years to iron out all issues and find a market, if they do :-/.
Foliholio - thanks for the kind words. This has been a loong road for us. To address your comments...
- North has done an awesome job with their bar but we feel we have as well. We are very proud of the design choices we made and how simple we kept our design, there is one moving part that can be replaced in <10min if it breaks, which it won't.
- The nob size, we played with that a lot. It is basically as big as it needs to be to give you nice purchase without being massive. Big thing for us is that it lets you keep your hands on the bar when overpowered and depowering the kite, no hunting around the side for a recessed button.
- Our bar is also very simple to disassemble. I will get a video up shortly but it is 1 set screw to remove the winder assembly. This assembly can then be quickly reversed to put the winder on the port / left side of the bar and it takes about 10 min or so to swap out the trim line. Much fewer screws and parts...
- U bar shape - you'll need to hold it to appreciate this but a) it is incredibly light, much lighter than the aluminium bars and b) it feels exactly the same in your hand due to the eva foam wrap on it
- We toyed with the idea of an auto unspin and we may yet introduce one but the designs we were looking at all lead to the bar binding when in a kite loop, meaning you can't sheet the bar out under load and in a kite loop... our bar maintains sheeting ability even when fishing poled.
I agree tho, years of small details to iron out but we wanted to get this version to market and we are incredibly proud of it.