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Re: The official thread of pointless innovations

Postby kiterocky » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:49 pm

Woo

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Re: The official thread of pointless innovations

Postby grigorib » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:18 pm

Bille wrote:
grigorib wrote: ...
7. Jet-Flaps (Flysurfer)
8. Zip-deflation on foils
...
Skywalk had those Jet-flaps on a PG a bunch of years back ; i have a skywalk chili
and they work great for landing, (Skywalk use to be the parent Co, of flysurfer) and
i think they went there separate ways .

As for using flaps on a kite ; can't see how they would be of any use ?

Are you talking about the zipper, to deflate a ram-air kite ?

Bille
Yep. Foil deflate zippers :)

Jetflaps were a good distinguishing factor, but I think they rather increased wing complexity, weight and production cost than helped aerodynamically.

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Re: The official thread of pointless innovations

Postby knotwindy » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:48 pm

My favorite is front line swivels that add weight and complexity but don't swivel, wtf?

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Re: The official thread of pointless innovations

Postby Bille » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:08 am

grigorib wrote:
Bille wrote: ...
7. Jet-Flaps (Flysurfer)
8. Zip-deflation on foils
...


Yep. Foil deflate zippers :)

Jetflaps were a good distinguishing factor, but I think they rather increased wing complexity, weight and production cost than helped aerodynamically.
YEP -- the jet-flaps worked Great on a PG ; totally useless on a Kite board kite ! :thumb:

I can deflate my 19M PL Venom, in under :1 min ; using that deflate zipper ; that
makes more time for : ( :beer: ) !! :D

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Re: The official thread of pointless innovations

Postby BOEMIX » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:11 am

Shorties over neopren

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Re: The official thread of pointless innovations

Postby tautologies » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:50 am

Dudes, the nature of innovations is that it is zig-zagging. Not everything will find feet...even really good ideas might have the wrong timing and not be a success.
That is not a failure on the part of the companies.

I would hate to see them stop trying to innovate. I've seen plenty of things in this thread that someone felt was a failure that I really liked.

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Re: The official thread of pointless innovations

Postby grigorib » Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:40 am

Bille wrote:I can deflate my 19M PL Venom, in under :1 min ; using that deflate zipper ; that
makes more time for : ( :beer: ) !! :D
They are just not reliable/lasting. Most sale posts of ARCs mention zipper condition.

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Re: The official thread of pointless innovations

Postby Hugh2 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:22 am

tautologies, name a few. I challenge you to like Cabrinha's IDS, or high Ys, or unequal length lines, or leashes attached to the back of a harness (on the latter, I noticed instructors in South Africa showing students to do this, and they said it was the standard approach, although a few did attach the leash on the side at least - one reason to like the new short leashes, they will prevent this mistake for beginners).

I don't agree with the helmet comment, however, as I wear one pretty regularly.

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Re: The official thread of pointless innovations

Postby atomic-chomik » Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:55 am

Gotta wonder about the helmet comment.

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Re: The official thread of pointless innovations

Postby PullStrings » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:35 pm

Bille wrote: I can deflate my 19M PL Venom, in under :1 min ; using that deflate zipper ; that
makes more time for : ( :beer: ) !! :D
Bille
I'll agree with Bille....zipper deflate was the best.. pointless innovation is the two velcro deflate openings...pain in the butt to pack quickly with approaching storm..especially using large ram airs


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