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harppa
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Postby harppa » Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:32 am
Faxie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:21 pm
john a wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:01 am
or6 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:13 am
The downside of naked dyneema is wear and tear. That is not an issue on all bars; it really depends on the size and the quality, if you like, of the hole(s) in the bar.
When you have the "Derlin" inserts in the hole, not that much wear anyway.... Low friction material, self lubricating...
So where does the lube come from?
Those inserts will damage over time. But if they're cheap and easy to replace I think it's a better alternative than having to replace the lines.
I have sold hundreds of bars with similar system and since 2012 replaced one depower line and zero plastic pieces/inserts inside the bar. Feeling confident this will be as good
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john a
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Postby john a » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:38 am
alexeyga wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:12 pm
or6 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:13 am
The downside of naked dyneema is wear and tear. That is not an issue on all bars; it really depends on the size and the quality, if you like, of the hole(s) in the bar.
To me the biggest one is the fact that it really burns your fingers. Wear and tear is the fact of life, you're supposed to keep an eye on your equipment's condition anyhow and it isn't a bad idea to have a spare depower rope in your repair kit. One might also argue that in the long run, naked rope traps lots of sand particles between fibers and becomes abrasive for the bar. Not an issue if there's a plastic insert though.
Burns finger??? what?!?! How do you manage that? My hands are not that hard but never had that... Bin having 200 days a year at the most earlier on such a rope, no issue.
Best bar on the other hand gave me blisters all the time as the grip it self was so hard
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john a
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Postby john a » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:42 am
Faxie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:21 pm
john a wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:01 am
or6 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:13 am
The downside of naked dyneema is wear and tear. That is not an issue on all bars; it really depends on the size and the quality, if you like, of the hole(s) in the bar.
When you have the "Derlin" inserts in the hole, not that much wear anyway.... Low friction material, self lubricating...
So where does the lube come from?
Those inserts will damage over time. But if they're cheap and easy to replace I think it's a better alternative than having to replace the lines.
Yeah the inserts is replaceable, bin using such solution before also, had no need for changing ever...
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Postby Matteo V » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:47 pm
Faxie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:21 pm
So where does the lube come from?
Self lubricating refers to the property of a material to "shed" some of its surface, and for that shed material to work as a (typically dry) lubricant. The shed material typically rolls or more often slides with low friction and low potential to gouge any surface, even the material itself. Most plastics are self lubricating. An example of a plastic that is not self lubricating would be the composite - fiber filled plastic.
As far as other materials,
Sand paper is not self lubricating, even though the grit that is shed does roll. That grit will continue to cut into most materials and even break down itself into smaller pieces of grit.
Metals are typically not self lubricating as the swarf shed is often more abrasive than the material cut.
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ShaveTheWhales
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Postby ShaveTheWhales » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:53 pm
Eleveight kites..
Can you make a video of how your quick release system re-setting works..
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Postby Faxie » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:58 pm
Matteo V wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:47 pm
Faxie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:21 pm
So where does the lube come from?
Self lubricating refers to the property of a material to "shed" some of its surface, and for that shed material to work as a (typically dry) lubricant. The shed material typically rolls or more often slides with low friction and low potential to gouge any surface, even the material itself. Most plastics are self lubricating. An example of a plastic that is not self lubricating would be the composite - fiber filled plastic.
As far as other materials,
Sand paper is not self lubricating, even though the grit that is shed does roll. That grit will continue to cut into most materials and even break down itself into smaller pieces of grit.
Metals are typically not self lubricating as the swarf shed is often more abrasive than the material cut.
Sarcasm
But that just basically means it will damage over time, and that's not what's suggested.
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Postby jeromeL » Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:49 pm
ShaveTheWhales wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:53 pm
Eleveight kites..
Can you make a video of how your quick release system re-setting works..
There is a video on facebook that demonstrates how it reset. It kind of just click in like a seatbelt, no need to push the QR up.
The latest liquid force is almost the same, when you push away the release stay in up position, and when you push th eloop in the release comes back in lock position by itself. so technically both system achieve same functionalities.
Looks like they have shipped the bars yet, can't see much stuff about them from the reps and school who started to get the kite.
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Postby Matteo V » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:55 am
Faxie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:58 pm
Sarcasm
But that just basically means it will damage over time, and that's not what's suggested.
No. Self lubricating is what is says. No sarcasm intended except for the "where does the lube come from".
Self lubricating is a real machining/wear principle.
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Faxie
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Postby Faxie » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:10 pm
Matteo V wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:55 am
Faxie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:58 pm
Sarcasm
But that just basically means it will damage over time, and that's not what's suggested.
No. Self lubricating is what is says. No sarcasm intended except for the "where does the lube come from".
Self lubricating is a real machining/wear principle.
Didn't know it was a real term, lol... thought it was marketing blabla because I've seen some worn out ones being replaced...
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Postby Matteo V » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:16 pm
Faxie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:10 pm
Didn't know it was a real term, lol... thought it was marketing blabla because I've seen some worn out ones being replaced...
Yup, I almost stopped writing my post as I was even laughing. Some things are hard to talk about. Make sure you tell your kids about this stuff before they find out about it on the street.
And self lubricating does not mean wear proof. More along the lines of "sacrificial wear" to protect and reduce friction.
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