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Re: Beginner - buy gear or more lessons?

Postby LetsFlyaKite » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:20 am

Don't listen to anyone on here.

If you feel inconfident about kiting, then you should probably take another lesson. The fact that you don't even know weather you should take another lesson or buy more gear is a dead giveaway that you are inconfident.

If you feel confident, then buy more gear.

Don't let someone on the internet tell you what's best for you, your probably a grown man that's knows what's best for yourself. Go out and do it.

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Re: Beginner - buy gear or more lessons?

Postby deniska » Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:30 am

Kau pi kite tarifa wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:09 pm
As an instructor I want to see that students can keep themself AND the other water/beach users safe before I will advise you to practise alone.

This means that your kite should not crash anymore. Even when you make a mistake in your waterstarts or riding. Your kite should stay dry.

You should also be able to control your riding speed and come to a controlled stop. If your speed is not under control yet, then you are a danger to other people on the water...

Obviously a self rescue also needs to be in your skill set.
"This means that your kite should not crash anymore. Even when you make a mistake in your waterstarts or riding. Your kite should stay dry."
shit, I think I need some lessons after 7 years of kiting...
I keep crashing the kite while riding.. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Beginner - buy gear or more lessons?

Postby BigZ » Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:13 am

deniska wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:30 am
Kau pi kite tarifa wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:09 pm
As an instructor I want to see that students can keep themself AND the other water/beach users safe before I will advise you to practise alone.

This means that your kite should not crash anymore. Even when you make a mistake in your waterstarts or riding. Your kite should stay dry.

You should also be able to control your riding speed and come to a controlled stop. If your speed is not under control yet, then you are a danger to other people on the water...

Obviously a self rescue also needs to be in your skill set.
"This means that your kite should not crash anymore. Even when you make a mistake in your waterstarts or riding. Your kite should stay dry."
shit, I think I need some lessons after 7 years of kiting...
I keep crashing the kite while riding.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
+1 🙄

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Re: Beginner - buy gear or more lessons?

Postby Jelle_vw » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:51 am

LetsFlyaKite wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:20 am
Don't listen to anyone on here.

If you feel inconfident about kiting, then you should probably take another lesson. The fact that you don't even know weather you should take another lesson or buy more gear is a dead giveaway that you are inconfident.

If you feel confident, then buy more gear.

Don't let someone on the internet tell you what's best for you, your probably a grown man that's knows what's best for yourself. Go out and do it.
I consider asking for advice as a wise thing to do.

@OP, just go man!

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Re: Beginner - buy gear or more lessons?

Postby Kau pi kite tarifa » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:09 am

BigZ wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:13 am
deniska wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:30 am

"This means that your kite should not crash anymore. Even when you make a mistake in your waterstarts or riding. Your kite should stay dry."
shit, I think I need some lessons after 7 years of kiting...
I keep crashing the kite while riding.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
+1 🙄
How do you crash your kite while riding?

Would you give somebody a driving license if he is not able to drive his car without crashing?

Clearly there are exceptions to be made when you are doing advanced manoeuvres (wave riding, tricks, jumps, ect)

But really with waterstarts and riding you should be able to keep your kite dry. Most of my students can do that after about 10 to 14 hours of private lessons.

If you can't do it, it means you are not able yet to ride close to other people. So you need a huge empty spot. Or you are posing a danger to your fellow beach users.

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Re: Beginner - buy gear or more lessons?

Postby Kau pi kite tarifa » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:21 am

Jelle_vw wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:29 pm
Kau pi kite tarifa wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:09 pm
Obviously a self rescue also needs to be in your skill set.
I don't agree with this and would not recommend practising it when you are a beginner. I consider floating around your lines trying to roll up your bar and reach your kite as a risk. Could get caught by the lines and the kite could get powered up. Learn the theory but at first choose a safe spot and make sure others are there that can rescue you if needed.
I prefer to rely on my own skills to stay safe. Not on others. Maybe no one will see you, maybe the other kitesurfers do not have the knowledge to bring you and your gear safely to the beach, maybe the engine of the rescue boat has a problem.

Choosing a safe spot is definitely a good start :)

If done correctly a self rescue is not dangerous. Learn the correct way to grab your lines and roll up the bar.

You need to first practise this in light winds or with an instructor in the water to keep you safe.

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Re: Beginner - buy gear or more lessons?

Postby t3rse » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:46 pm

Kau pi kite tarifa wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:09 am
BigZ wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:13 am
deniska wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:30 am

"This means that your kite should not crash anymore. Even when you make a mistake in your waterstarts or riding. Your kite should stay dry."
shit, I think I need some lessons after 7 years of kiting...
I keep crashing the kite while riding.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
+1 🙄
How do you crash your kite while riding?

Would you give somebody a driving license if he is not able to drive his car without crashing?

Clearly there are exceptions to be made when you are doing advanced manoeuvres (wave riding, tricks, jumps, ect)

But really with waterstarts and riding you should be able to keep your kite dry. Most of my students can do that after about 10 to 14 hours of private lessons.

If you can't do it, it means you are not able yet to ride close to other people. So you need a huge empty spot. Or you are posing a danger to your fellow beach users.

There is a relatively competent bloke here who've I've seen tomahawk his kite twice on the beach trying to water start in onshore winds. There is another fella who can't jump worth a shit but who can get upwind just fine that tomahawk'd his rig while walking down the beach. I'm not making excuses for them, and it irritates the shit out of me, but just saying...

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Re: Beginner - buy gear or more lessons?

Postby jeromeL » Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:11 pm

I would say it's spot and conditions dependent.
If you have a safe spot with no obstacle, not too crowded and friends to babysit you, then you can buy gear and practice. Make sure to talk to your buddies and ask where to kite safely and stay out of the way of others. Also don't go out in crazy conditions, when you take lessons instructor knows which spot and conditions are safe for beginner, when you go out with your friends you might try something that's not right for your level...

I would do a full self rescue by yourself at least once though. Going over it with instructor isn't enough, you have got to do it by yourself to become proficient at it.

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Re: Beginner - buy gear or more lessons?

Postby LetsFlyaKite » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:35 pm

Jelle_vw wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:51 am
LetsFlyaKite wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:20 am
Don't listen to anyone on here.

If you feel inconfident about kiting, then you should probably take another lesson. The fact that you don't even know weather you should take another lesson or buy more gear is a dead giveaway that you are inconfident.

If you feel confident, then buy more gear.

Don't let someone on the internet tell you what's best for you, your probably a grown man that's knows what's best for yourself. Go out and do it.
I consider asking for advice as a wise thing to do.

For a foolish man who doesn't know his own limitations.

You forgot to write that at the end.

You're welcome...

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Re: Beginner - buy gear or more lessons?

Postby Bille » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:41 am

LetsFlyaKite wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:35 pm
Jelle_vw wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:51 am
LetsFlyaKite wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:20 am
Don't listen to anyone on here.

...
I consider asking for advice as a wise thing to do.

For a foolish man who doesn't know his own limitations.

You forgot to write that at the end.

You're welcome...
Tone down the criticism, toward others ; and you'll probably find that others
will do the same to you.

Bille


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