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Re: Airstyle - The Next Level - Toby Braeuer

Postby Starsky » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:52 pm

Agreed, Now tell me how setting up a camera to film the same spot while the rider literally does laps with the focus being one move done in the same spot with the same timing and made up of the same elements is somehow progression.

Come on. were talking an entire discipline done in flat water only, between 20 and 25 knots with big kites only. Now add the cataloging of all this to number in the thousands. You could get your post doc in boring on that part alone.

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Re: Airstyle - The Next Level - Toby Braeuer

Postby Toby » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:04 pm

Lokihel wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:04 am
It's all in the editing :lol:


You only need to nail 3 or 4 different tricks to make a kiteboarding video.
Loop it over and over to turn your 15 seconds of action into a 4 minute video. :roll:
No need to nail, the cutting makes it look like it 🤣

Not for me !

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Re: Airstyle - The Next Level - Toby Braeuer

Postby edt » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:23 pm

Starsky wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:57 pm
I guess, that's the disconnect. It seems so strange that someone would rail against freestyle for years as boring and repetitive and lacking spectator appeal, then turns around and presents their vision in exaggeratedly the same way. Repetitive trick centric combinations of the same 4 or 5 elements recombined with virtually the exact same cadence. Taking it to the extreme of cataloging every possible combination he can come up with and presenting them as novel just makes it absurd.
It depends on who your audience is. I think every kiter goes through a board off phase I know I did. I loved doing it and I loved watching it but at some point board offs lost their appeal for me . . . . I mean Toby can do that forever but not most kiters, it gets old for some but of course not for them. The non-kiter audience though there's no doubt that if you showed them Toby's bag of board off tricks, Arron Hadlow's bag of wakestyle tricks and Ruben Lenten's megaloops, they would all rank them #1 Lenten (dude look at that huge air, he's so high up) #2 Toby (omg he did you see that he took the board off!) and then #3 Hadlow (wait, he's just wakeboarding right? He can't afford a boat. Sad). so it depends on who your audience is. For the non-kiter, someone who has never seen kiting before there is tremendous appeal in what Toby is doing and what Ruben is doing. I see them as quite similar in how those two can appeal to the general public. The non-kiter will not understand the appeal of wakestyle but the kiter who has been kiting for a while will rank the appeal of these tricks quite differently. When I hear Toby rail against wakestyle what I hear is him preaching to the non-kiter audience, I hear him saying that kiteboarding should be in the movies, James Bond should be kiteboarding, everyone at the beach who is walking by should know how to land a kite, that is should be mainstream and part of that mainstreaming is the board offs which no matter how old it gets to a jaded kiter will be a real crowd favorite for the Once-a-day-on-the-beach touristfartens. I think there's no doubt if you want to promote kiteboarding to the general public airstyle is a better vehicle than wakestyle and megaloops is better than both but not every kiter is able to take that level of risk. The main problem with boardoffs is that I just feel the future of kiteboarding at every level for the twintip is boots. Just like how wakeboarding switched from straps to boots 20 years ago or so kiteboarding is also making that move slowly but surely, even newbies are riding boots more.
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Re: Airstyle - The Next Level - Toby Braeuer

Postby Starsky » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:26 pm

James Bond did kiteboard.... it was lame.

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Re: Airstyle - The Next Level - Toby Braeuer

Postby edt » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:28 pm

President Obama kiteboarded and it was awesome.

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Re: Airstyle - The Next Level - Toby Braeuer

Postby FLandOBX » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:40 pm

Interesting comparison of Lenten, Toby and Hadlow. Comparing the three highlights a point of confusion in this thread, i.e. equating skill required with capacity for risk-taking. They are really independent variables. To make the point, consider these rankings (highest to lowest):

Risk-taking (i.e., nerve) required for particular style: Lenten-Megaloop, Hadlow-Wakestyle, Toby-Airstyle.

Skill required for particular style: Hadlow-Wakestyle, Toby-Airstyle, Lenten-Megaloop. (I'm NOT saying Lenten has less skill, but I'm suggesting that megaloops take a lot of nerve, but not a lot of skill).

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Re: Airstyle - The Next Level - Toby Braeuer

Postby FLandOBX » Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:05 pm

Kiteboarding functionality (purpose): Bond, Toby, Obama.

Number of infatuated women fans derived from kiteboarding: Bond, Toby, Obama.

Sheer joy from kiteboarding: Obama, Toby, Bond.

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Re: Airstyle - The Next Level - Toby Braeuer

Postby edt » Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:10 pm

Lenten has a lot less skill than Hadlow even on the megaloops. Hadlow's megaloops are really sick. But that's what Lenten likes the best so he just does it over and over again.

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Re: Airstyle - The Next Level - Toby Braeuer

Postby Bille » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:01 pm

tautologies wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:59 am
Do-it wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:25 am
Risk=reward......
That makes no sense and is completely wrong.
Risk is a calculation of probability of failure. Nothing else.
What you should be looking for is the max payout with minimal risk. That is
how you maximize reward.
Awesome way to say it !! :thumb:

Do-it is a base-jumper ; his idea of risk=reward is a bit skewed , from
most rational humans. Mine's a bit skewed also ; but i ain't the one bashing
Toby, like the Do-it did.

@ Toby
Nice Job ; Keep at it sir !!!! :D :cooltext: :yourock:

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Re: Airstyle - The Next Level - Toby Braeuer

Postby plummet » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:53 pm

Bille wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:01 pm
tautologies wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:59 am
Do-it wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:25 am
Risk=reward......
That makes no sense and is completely wrong.
Risk is a calculation of probability of failure. Nothing else.
What you should be looking for is the max payout with minimal risk. That is
how you maximize reward.
Awesome way to say it !! :thumb:

Do-it is a base-jumper ; his idea of risk=reward is a bit skewed , from
most rational humans. Mine's a bit skewed also ; but i ain't the one bashing
Toby, like the Do-it did.

@ Toby
Nice Job ; Keep at it sir !!!! :D :cooltext: :yourock:

Bille
For a start qudos to toby for is dogged dedication to light wind big kite hooked in oldschool. He is truly the world master of his niche within a niche sport.

I personally would like to see more height with slower and more gracefull simpler tricks landed butter smooth. I think smashing as many tricks into a jump as possible just gets too busy. It starts to look like the spider monkey wakestyle stuff that's just too frantic. That's my 5 cents.

As for risk. When we do our risk assessment we need to consider the actual risk rather than perceived risk. Is Lenten doing a crazy megaloop in 45 knots on a deserted beach riskier than Toby doing a complex low level trick on a massive kite in a crowded lagoon in 20 knots? The answer to this is Lenten is putting himself at a higher risk but a lower risk to others. Toby has lower risk to physical harm to himself but a far far far higher risk to others. Ultimately what Toby is doing combined total risk is greater than Lenten.


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