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North rebel or cabrinha switchblade

Postby MattsDedDog » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:14 pm

Hi there

I'm in the market for a 2015 or newer freeride kite and I'm stuck deciding between and North Rebel and a Cab switchblade. The kite would serve as my strong wind kite +-28knts , but because these kites both have large wind ranges I would also like to fly the kite in lighter winds , say -+18knts. I can't seem to find information on the high end abilities of either kite and would like know which kite would be best for a one kite freeride quiver....

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Re: North rebel or cabrinha switchblade

Postby NorCalNomad » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:12 pm

Rebel for sure

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Re: North rebel or cabrinha switchblade

Postby kiterocky » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:24 pm

Rebel sure..

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Re: North rebel or cabrinha switchblade

Postby ThickAir » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:33 pm

10m Rebel

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Re: North rebel or cabrinha switchblade

Postby FLandOBX » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:00 pm

If your targeted "sweet spot" for the kite is about 28 knots, then you'd probably be under-powered on a Rebel or SB at 18 knots. Either kite you've mentioned can easily handle a 10 knot swing in wind speed with a "sweet spot" somewhere in the middle (e.g., range of 18-28 with sweet spot at 23 knots). The de-power and sheeting systems on almost all recent year kites are pretty good, but a you'd be asking a lot of a single kite to be powered at 18 with a targeted sweet spot at 28 (and presumably a max in the 38 knot range).

I think your choice of Rebel or SB should depend more on your riding style and preferences than wind range. Both are good kites, and both are fairly versatile. Rebel would be a good option if you plan to always ride hooked and want to boost a lot with long float and hang-time. Switchblade (though not a great unhooked kite) is probably the more versatile if you might want to unhook occasionally, loop a lot, maybe try a variety of styles, but still boost fairly well.

Finally, I'm sure you know that the 2015 Rebels are 5-line kites. That can be either an advantage or a disadvantage depending on your perspective. There are lots of 5 vs 4-line discussions elsewhere on this forum. In the final analysis, both Rebel and SB are excellent kites, IMHO.

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Re: North rebel or cabrinha switchblade

Postby bigwave » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:53 pm

No contest, Cabrinha Switchblade

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Re: North rebel or cabrinha switchblade

Postby Teabageppo » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:26 am

Flandobx...is onto it. That is spot on advice. Regarding wind ranges, sweet spots and the difference between the two kites.
(It's refreshing to read from someone who actually knows what's going on)...


This may help, but I run a one kite quiver. A 10m 2017 rebel. But I run a TT and nugget (two boards).

At 77 to 80kg I have decent power at 18 knots on the TT, but it's not blowing my mind. Nice, friendly power, but plenty to stay upwind, do some trickery.

At 28 knots, I'm in the real hot zone, going massive, having to concentrate, if it gusts above 30 I'm having to really concentrate, and are starting to consider coming in. At your weight, given you have enough experience of course, you should be fine.

The kite can hold a lot mor penwind over it than most can handle. That is, the only thing that stops you staying out in higher and higher winds is your own ability, fear factor...nothing holds itself together (not even the switchblade) like the rebel. Takes a lot of wind to make it cavitate etc and behave badly.

Well that's until they have changed it this year...we will see.

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Re: North rebel or cabrinha switchblade

Postby stenner » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:51 pm

How do you find the sweet spot of a given kite without actually flying it and if you weigh more than the standard 175 pound typical example most companies use? Is the sweet spot generally in the middle of the stated range? Other than actual experience, guessing seems a bit like black magic.

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Re: North rebel or cabrinha switchblade

Postby Teabageppo » Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:46 am

Exactly sweet spot is highly subjective, so many factors involved. Rider, wind type, board type, rider style...keeping at least the kite and size the same.

I'd say a rough guide is tech sweet spot tends to sit within the interquartile range...if you quartiled up the overall range, then sat between the first and third.

For me the sweet spot is betweeen the median and third quartile.

....of course I'm just joking. It's highly subjective.

My sweet spot on the ten metre rebel at my weight on a normal tt, is between twenty two and twenty five, because I like excess power. Although I do like eighteen to twenty three for a more toned down enjoyable session.

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Re: North rebel or cabrinha switchblade

Postby Clew In » Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:08 am

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