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Re: Supplements/food to prevent knee/hip arthritis and keep joints lubricated?

Postby intergalactic007 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:13 pm

The best things for joints is a ketogenic diet for a few weeks followed by a 3-6 day water fast. Let your livers innate intelligence fix your body through abandonment of carbs for a brief period. Its how mammals have complete restoration when injured in the wild. :)

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Re: Supplements/food to prevent knee/hip arthritis and keep joints lubricated?

Postby badgb21 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:56 pm

I've tried a fish oil/Glucosamine combo when my knee flares up. Knee eventually subsides, not sure whether pills helped or not.
Belching fish oil certainly takes your mind off your joint pain for a while!
Massaging in some ibuprofen gel is my favoured repair method.

Be interested to hear of a good maintenance supplement regime to try.

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Re: Supplements/food to prevent knee/hip arthritis and keep joints lubricated?

Postby tautologies » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:25 pm

A 2004 study looked at patients who were already taking glucosamine for knee osteoarthritis and who had experienced at least moderate relief of pain. They left half of the patients on the glucosamine and switched half to placebo. There was no difference in outcome.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15478160

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Re: Supplements/food to prevent knee/hip arthritis and keep joints lubricated?

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Re: Supplements/food to prevent knee/hip arthritis and keep joints lubricated?

Postby abel » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:27 pm

tautologies wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:25 pm
A 2004 study looked at patients who were already taking glucosamine for knee osteoarthritis and who had experienced at least moderate relief of pain. They left half of the patients on the glucosamine and switched half to placebo. There was no difference in outcome.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15478160
So placebo works after all :o :D

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Re: Supplements/food to prevent knee/hip arthritis and keep joints lubricated?

Postby knotwindy » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:59 pm

tautologies wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:25 pm
A 2004 study looked at patients who were already taking glucosamine for knee osteoarthritis and who had experienced at least moderate relief of pain. They left half of the patients on the glucosamine and switched half to placebo. There was no difference in outcome.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15478160
If you are using this to imply that glucosamine doesn't work, that is not what it says.
As far as placebo goes, any study that claims improvement of less than about 25% with any side effects is certainly worse than placebo and should be considered suspect at best.

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Re: Supplements/food to prevent knee/hip arthritis and keep joints lubricated?

Postby tautologies » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:33 pm

knotwindy wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:59 pm
If you are using this to imply that glucosamine doesn't work, that is not what it says.
As far as placebo goes, any study that claims improvement of less than about 25% with any side effects is certainly worse than placebo and should be considered suspect at best.
So how do you interpret "CONCLUSION:In patients with knee OA with at least moderate subjective improvement with prior glucosamine use, this study provides no evidence of symptomatic benefit from continued use of glucosamine sulfate."

It takes a set of patients that have been using the drug and splits them into to two groups, one of which continues to use the drug, one of which are put on a placebo, then measures the groups against eachother and finds no significant difference. Let me know how I can interpret that differently.

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Re: Supplements/food to prevent knee/hip arthritis and keep joints lubricated?

Postby knotwindy » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:44 pm

Easily,
Lots of other possible conclusions. How about the simple, obvious one. That CONTINUED use of the supplement makes no difference. Says nothing about the initial changes that might have occurred.

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Re: Supplements/food to prevent knee/hip arthritis and keep joints lubricated?

Postby tautologies » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:11 pm

knotwindy wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:44 pm
Easily,
Lots of other possible conclusions. How about the simple, obvious one. That CONTINUED use of the supplement makes no difference. Says nothing about the initial changes that might have occurred.
So you didn't read my initial statement? That continued use of it did not work?
I mean obviously you can reach, but given its current status saying definitely works is huge stretch. Here is a well balanced article on it. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/glucosamine-update/
Make sure you read the conclusion.

"Glucosamine/chondroitin might work for osteoarthritis, and might be worth trying in patients who can’t take NSAIDs, but the evidence is still far from clear. Based on the currently available evidence, I wouldn’t feel comfortable prescribing it or telling patients “it works;” but if a patient wanted to try it, I wouldn’t have any objections to a therapeutic trial. There don’t appear to be any worrisome side effects, and even if patients only had a placebo response, they might feel better."

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Re: Supplements/food to prevent knee/hip arthritis and keep joints lubricated?

Postby FLandOBX » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:44 am

I took glucosamine/chondroitin at my dr's suggestion, but didn't notice positive benefits. Best thing I've found for arthritic/inflexible hips and joints is yoga.


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