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Self-Rescue: The big problem with Ram airs

Postby Pump me up » Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:00 am

A recent article in IKSURFMAG alludes to THE shocking problem with ram airs: Inability to "self-rescue." The article states that "everyone should feel confident that in the worst case, they can self-rescue by ... using the kite to pull themselves into shore." Not only is this impossible with ram airs - ram airs are positively DANGEROUS.

Ignore the lies. Ignore the exaggerations. Ram airs are inferior compared to inflatables.

Pumpy .......... :pump:
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Re: Self-Rescue: The BIG problem with RAM airs

Postby Rufusz » Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:29 am

Interesting...I just managed to self rescue 2days ago afer a chicken loop faliure with my inferior ram air kite, used it to drag me to the beach (sideshore conditions, with a foilboard to make things easier)

But I am paid by the RAM air illuminati to spread false information so it doesn't count, right Pumpy?

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Re: Self-Rescue: The big problem with Ram airs

Postby Kykeon » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:30 am

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Re: Self-Rescue: The big problem with Ram airs

Postby socommk23 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:48 am

Feeding time at the zoo?

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Re: Self-Rescue: The big problem with Ram airs

Postby revhed » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:56 am

Pump me up wrote:
Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:00 am
Ram airs are inferior compared to inflatables.
Pumpy .......... :pump:
Yep, and that`s why none of the KiteBoardHydroFoil racers use them, and more and more buggy, snow, and mountain board guys as well.
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Re: Self-Rescue: The big problem with Ram airs

Postby socommk23 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:42 am

revhed wrote:
Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:56 am
Pump me up wrote:
Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:00 am
Ram airs are inferior compared to inflatables.
Pumpy .......... :pump:
Yep, and that`s why none of the KiteBoardHydroFoil racers use them, and more and more buggy, snow, and mountain board guys as well.
F U P M U!
R H
Just to point out buggy racers only use foil kites. Open and closed cell. In racing lei kites are useless.

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Re: Self-Rescue: The big problem with Ram airs

Postby coffeeking » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:21 am

This guy is of a hell of a troll. Who has the time and can be bothered to carefully construct garbage in a form that it's almost believable, just for giggles?

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Re: Self-Rescue: The big problem with Ram airs

Postby socommk23 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:51 am

coffeeking wrote:
Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:21 am
This guy is of a hell of a troll. Who has the time and can be bothered to carefully construct garbage in a form that it's almost believable, just for giggles?
Stupid thing is every time he posts this shit, people bite hard. And the thread gathers momentum and page beyond page people argue the shit while lumpy sits back and watches everyone point out foil kites superiority of which he is more than aware of.

It's a way of pulling the pin on a foil kite promotional grenade.

It's pure genius if you ask me.

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Re: Self-Rescue: The big problem with Ram airs

Postby TomW » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:07 pm

He's entertaining.

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Re: Self-Rescue: The big problem with Ram airs

Postby Pump me up » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:32 pm

[/color]e) Wind dropouts and gear failure
ALL kiters experiences a few gear failures (eg broken lines) and COMPLETE wind dropouts every year. Inflatables can be "sailed" (self-rescued) or swum to shore. If things are REALLY bad, the inflatable structure can support your weight, eg viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2368004

In contrast, ALL ram airs eventually become hopelessly waterlogged, un-relaunchable, and unable to support body weight.
eg viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2346569
eg viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2358958&p=608890#p608890
eg viewtopic.php?t=2359156&p=617396
eg viewtopic.php?t=2358602&p=704984
eg http://www.foilzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8130

The following is an example of "diraklib's" experience with ram airs in wind dropouts:
diraklib wrote:"the SA-19 is huge and can whack you silly if you let it get down wind of you in a low wind launch. It is downright scary - be ready with the QR at all times if not up and riding!!! I can't say I agree with claims that you can ride the SA-19 in anything lower than a steady 8 knots. I made a personal choice to not ride the SA-19 any more. It went down twice in lulls and managed to bow-tie on the way down - there was no way to relaunch. I was not as lucky as others that self rescued. My kite was full of water by the time I dragged my very tired and frustrated a$$ to shore. It sounds simple, "wrap the lines around the bar, fold the kite in half, roll it up on your board and paddle in"... noooo... there are lines everywhere under water that wrap around your feet as you are trying to manipulate the kite. You just pray that a gust won't pop the kite up and slice of an appendage. The kite ... is just too scary when it goes down. My attitude now is - if my LEI won't fly, I shouldn't be on the water. Anyone interested in a slightly used SA2-19m??? Cheap???"
For the full epiphany, checkout viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2360979&start=40

The following is the experience of "pmaggie" with ram airs in wind dropouts:
pmaggie wrote:I rode foils only a few times, so these are really my two cents. The problem I experieced with foils in very light wind when they suddenly fall. In my home spot, in very light wind days, sometimes the wind really goes to zero for 1 minute or so. When this happen, both foils and inflatables suddenly fall. In this cases, my inflatable, since it's far heavier than a foil, fall directly into the water with no line tangling and I just have to wait for a gust to relaunch (when possible, that means about 7 knots for my Core 17). When a foil falls with no wind, being very light, it's common that its lines roll over it and became completely tangled. At that point, it's not that easy to relaunch.
The other big problem with foils in very light wind is when the wind completely stops. With an inflatable, you just get your kite and swim attached to your little floating boat. With a foil, you have 20 sqm of tissue to carry home with you!
For the full story, checkout: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2376332

Here is the experience of "FredBGG" with a line failure:
FredBGG wrote:The other day I had a front line fail.
Wind was slightly off shore...
I really needed a tow to the beach.
I had the kite safely on the 5th line folded in half (flysurfer Foil)
I waved down two kiters.... both expert judging by their riding.
Both refused to help.
One even yelled if you can't relaunch it's your problem.
Anyway after a difficult ordeal in the surf and current I got back to the beach.
I had to rest a bit but my board was still out there.
For the full admission viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2362065
The problem here isn't with the other kiters, it's with Fred's choice of kite. If Fred had an inflatable, he would have been able to "self-rescue" by grabbing the tips and "sailing" to shore. The other kiters refusing to help is understandable: Fred opted for less safe equipment. It's his problem and he shouldn't impose on others to make up for his equipment deficiencies. Also, towing a ram air to shore is like towing a sleeping bag full of water - difficult and dangerous.
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