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Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby shutupjoy » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:39 am

Hi everyone, a little bit confused about two kinds of setting at the FX. Usually there is only options on the wing tip (A,B- bar preassure and turning fast).
The FX has more tunning option on the bridels - 3 modes (freeride, kiteloops and freestyle).
There is someone who knows the different and what every setting is changing?
Looking for information about it.
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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby huge » Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:10 pm

apparently more grunt on the freeride setting, I only tried the factory kiteloop setting so far

explanation video here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_YRoNr-YFk&t=4s

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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby Cab Driver » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:41 pm

shutupjoy wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:39 am
Hi everyone, a little bit confused about two kinds of setting at the FX. Usually there is only options on the wing tip (A,B- bar preassure and turning fast).
The FX has more tunning option on the bridels - 3 modes (freeride, kiteloops and freestyle).
There is someone who knows the different and what every setting is changing?
Looking for information about it.
Hi Shutupjoy! Congrats on your new FX. It's a new design, so it will act and feel different even though you use the Kiteloop setting. I'll give the short version of the two different bridle tuning options.

Rear Bridle:
A vs B is simply leverage equation. The steering and power control is either closer to the fulcrum / pivot point (B setting) or further from the fulcrum (A setting). In the A setting, less force is required to pull on the bar because A is further from the fulcrum, but the bar must travel further to depower the kite, and has to be turned more to achieve the same actual turning as the B setting. In the B setting, more force is required to pull on the bar, however, the kite turns harder (faster) in B setting and achieves more depower with less bar travel because of this. You literally cannot turn the kite faster in A setting unless you are breaking the laws of physics, or you are unable to apply enough force to the bar in B setting.

Front Bridle:
Freeride vs. Kiteloop vs. Freestyle
Tuning the front bridle changes where the kite sits in the wind window. Freeride is further aft, and Freestyle is furthest fore. Freeride provides for a more immediate pull just by sheeting in the bar, but is more draggy and won't go upwind as well, although the FX moves around the window well using twin tip edge pressure. Freestyle provides for slack while airborn and unhooked making wakestyle and freestyle handle passes much easier. However, Freestyle mode requires more active flying of the kite to stay powered and reduces the overall pull of the kite. The Kiteloop setting is in between and most like the 2016/17 FX feel and is the best setting for kiteloops with a mix of power and speed to the zenith. The differences in these settings are quite subtle, but an advanced kiter will feel them and they do make a difference.

These two bridle adjustments are exclusive of each other. Think of the rear A/B as personal preference setting, while the Freeride/Kiteloop/Freestyle setting is generally geared toward riding style, but again is a guideline and there will be riders that like a particular setting regardless of what we call it and what type of riding they practice.

I hope this helps!!

Todd

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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby shutupjoy » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:57 am

Cub driver- Wow man it was very detailed information and it helped me to understand all the logic behind the tunning and how its work.
Thank you, everything is clear now!
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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby shutupjoy » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:39 am

You wrote:
"In the B setting, more force is required to pull on the bar, however, the kite turns harder (faster)"

Is it not the oposite? I means, on B setting we got high bar preassure but less turning speed?
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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby Faxie » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:51 am

High bar pressure equates to less turning speed, because it takes more force from the rider to turn the bar, thus slower. You can't lift 50kg as fast as 25kg for instance.

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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby shutupjoy » Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:58 pm

Faxie wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:51 am
High bar pressure equates to less turning speed, because it takes more force from the rider to turn the bar, thus slower. You can't lift 50kg as fast as 25kg for instance.
No, it is not the reason. Its not so hard to pull the bar when you set "high preassure bar". You feel more resistance but there is no such a different like "25kg vs 50kg".
The reason that the kite will turn slowly, because the pulling of the kite is not comes from the top of the end of the wing tip...

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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby Cab Driver » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:11 pm

shutupjoy wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:58 pm
Faxie wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:51 am
High bar pressure equates to less turning speed, because it takes more force from the rider to turn the bar, thus slower. You can't lift 50kg as fast as 25kg for instance.
No, it is not the reason. Its not so hard to pull the bar when you set "high preassure bar". You feel more resistance but there is no such a different like "25kg vs 50kg".
The reason that the kite will turn slowly, because the pulling of the kite is not comes from the top of the end of the wing tip...
I'm very certain it's the opposite. Look at the leverage. The kite turns faster when you pull from a point between the wingtip and the fulcrum versus from the wingtip point. It's only the perception that it turns slower as you pull from a point closer to the fulcrum because the amount of force required to turn the kite is higher as you move the point of force from the wingtip towards the fulcrum.

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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby huge » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:35 pm

bizarre I would have tought the more closer to the wing tip you attach the kite the faster and easier you can make it turn 'cause you have better leverage hence the "lighter steering impulse" needed as mentionned on the kite A setting...

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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby Cab Driver » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:48 pm

huge wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:35 pm
bizarre I would have tought the more closer to the wing tip you attach the kite the faster and easier you can make it turn 'cause you have better leverage hence the "lighter steering impulse" needed as mentionned on the kite A setting...

I might have confused your comments. Just to be clear:

Closer to wingtip=> lighter bar pressure, slower steering when pulled all the way, less sheeting overall
Moving away from the wingtip toward the fulcrum=> more bar pressure, faster steering when pulled all the way, more sheeting overall

Again, most prefer the light setting and it "feels" faster because the impulse to steer is less.


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