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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby jeromeL » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:17 pm

Cab Driver wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:48 pm
huge wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:35 pm
bizarre I would have tought the more closer to the wing tip you attach the kite the faster and easier you can make it turn 'cause you have better leverage hence the "lighter steering impulse" needed as mentionned on the kite A setting...

I might have confused your comments. Just to be clear:

Closer to wingtip=> lighter bar pressure, slower steering when pulled all the way, less sheeting overall
Moving away from the wingtip toward the fulcrum=> more bar pressure, faster steering when pulled all the way, more sheeting overall

Again, most prefer the light setting and it "feels" faster because the impulse to steer is less.
I think people got confused between "rear bridle" and "steering line"...
Unless I am mistaken there are 3 adjustments:
Front bridle
rear bridle
and steering line.

On C kite you have only 2 adjustment, power line and steering line.

So Cab driver is right in saying that the leverage between Rear bridle and steering line will be higher when rear bridle is further away from wingtip.
It's confusing because steering line attachment also control bar pressure...

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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby Faxie » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:51 pm

Cab Driver wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:11 pm
shutupjoy wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:58 pm
Faxie wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:51 am
High bar pressure equates to less turning speed, because it takes more force from the rider to turn the bar, thus slower. You can't lift 50kg as fast as 25kg for instance.
No, it is not the reason. Its not so hard to pull the bar when you set "high preassure bar". You feel more resistance but there is no such a different like "25kg vs 50kg".
The reason that the kite will turn slowly, because the pulling of the kite is not comes from the top of the end of the wing tip...
I'm very certain it's the opposite. Look at the leverage. The kite turns faster when you pull from a point between the wingtip and the fulcrum versus from the wingtip point. It's only the perception that it turns slower as you pull from a point closer to the fulcrum because the amount of force required to turn the kite is higher as you move the point of force from the wingtip towards the fulcrum.
It's not the perception ;) You're right about the leverage/max throw part, but the higher force needed makes it slower in the end.

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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby shutupjoy » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:09 pm

You can see the pic I attached, all the kites you can see on the wingtip written: high bar preassure/slow turn vs low bar preassure/fast turn.

You wrong in this case...
Look at the pic below. All the kite the same as described.The lower scale describes turning speed. The hill scale describes bar pressure.
A- you get low preassure bar with faster turning.
B- the opposite..
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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby Faxie » Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:56 pm

shutupjoy wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:09 pm
You can see the pic I attached, all the kites you can see on the wingtip written: high bar preassure/slow turn vs low bar preassure/fast turn.

You wrong in this case...
Look at the pic below. All the kite the same as described.The lower scale describes turning speed. The hill scale describes bar pressure.
A- you get low preassure bar with faster turning.
B- the opposite..
Who are you talking to? :roll:

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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby shutupjoy » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:34 am

Faxie wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:56 pm
shutupjoy wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:09 pm
You can see the pic I attached, all the kites you can see on the wingtip written: high bar preassure/slow turn vs low bar preassure/fast turn.

You wrong in this case...
Look at the pic below. All the kite the same as described.The lower scale describes turning speed. The hill scale describes bar pressure.
A- you get low preassure bar with faster turning.
B- the opposite..
Who are you talking to? :roll:
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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby Faxie » Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:46 pm

shutupjoy wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:34 am
Faxie wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:56 pm
shutupjoy wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:09 pm
You can see the pic I attached, all the kites you can see on the wingtip written: high bar preassure/slow turn vs low bar preassure/fast turn.

You wrong in this case...
Look at the pic below. All the kite the same as described.The lower scale describes turning speed. The hill scale describes bar pressure.
A- you get low preassure bar with faster turning.
B- the opposite..
Who are you talking to? :roll:
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Lol ok 8)

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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby Blackrat » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:37 pm

Try figure this one out
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And you thought your wingtip is confusing

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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby knotwindy » Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:33 am

Nice, that's just wrong on so many levels

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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby Cab Driver » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:14 pm

shutupjoy wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:34 am
Faxie wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:56 pm
shutupjoy wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:09 pm
You can see the pic I attached, all the kites you can see on the wingtip written: high bar preassure/slow turn vs low bar preassure/fast turn.

You wrong in this case...
Look at the pic below. All the kite the same as described.The lower scale describes turning speed. The hill scale describes bar pressure.
A- you get low preassure bar with faster turning.
B- the opposite..
Who are you talking to? :roll:
Cab driver 🚕😎
If I am wrong, then physics is wrong and we need to re-write all the text books and start over. Seriously, just because it's printed on a kite doesn't make it right. I've done my best and can't add more to this.

What really is faster is whatever your brain thinks in the end. Try all the setups and decide for yourself. That is always the best path.

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Re: Cabrinha fx 2018 - trimming setting on wingtip

Postby dragnfly » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:43 pm

I think the kite says 'slower turning' the way it does because it will actually feel like it is turning slower, and will require more input to make it turn - so to the less proficient rider it may feel like the safer slower option - even though it does actually have the potential to turn faster if you give it lots of beans.


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