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Do I need to do lock stitching on a brummel splice?
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:17 am
by Seabizzle
Hey everyone I have just had my first go at splicing some hollow braided dyneema line. I have done a brummel/ eye splice ( passed rope through itself twice to lock then taper and bury the end) I am quite happy with the results. It looks smooth and solid. I'm wondering if I need to do a lock stitching on it or is that just for a long bury splice? I really can't imagine how the splice I have done could possibly unravel? I will be using it for a chicken loop line
Thanks in advance to the bar mod brains trust
Re: Do I need to do lock stitching on a brummel splice??
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:29 am
by jakemoore
I don't think so.
I like a single drop of super-glue myself. Works well to lock in a long bury splice and I probably couldn't be bothered to du the Brummel.
Re: Do I need to do lock stitching on a brummel splice??
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:35 am
by iriejohn
Although not strictly necessary I always put a lock stitch in a Brummel splice - only take a minute. Ditto bury splice however long.
And super glue was originally designed to be water soluble so I'd never use it.
Re: Do I need to do lock stitching on a brummel splice??
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:03 am
by SLiiCK
Same here I always make up my own chicken loop ropes using the Brummel splice and always put some locking stitches in just to be on the safe side.
Re: Do I need to do lock stitching on a brummel splice??
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:38 pm
by SpunMonkey
Either Brummel and don't stitch, or do a straight bury and stitch. Don't do both- Its a waste of your time...
Re: Do I need to do lock stitching on a brummel splice??
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:19 pm
by Kamikuza
SpunMonkey wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:38 pm
Either Brummel and don't stitch, or do a straight bury and stitch. Don't do both- Its a waste of your time...
This.
You're only stitching or using a brummell to stop the tail working its way out when the line isn't under load. Use a proper length bury and I'd bet it'd be impossible to have the tail work out.
Re: Do I need to do lock stitching on a brummel splice??
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:27 pm
by socommk23
Never stitched a brommel lock. Just made bridles for my diablo and made my own bar n line sets. Still going strong.
Re: Do I need to do lock stitching on a brummel splice??
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:28 pm
by socommk23
Never stitched a brommel lock. Just made bridles for my diablo and made my own bar n line sets a while ago. Still going strong.
Re: Do I need to do lock stitching on a brummel splice??
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:10 pm
by Matteo V
Real world testing is the key. If everyone is saying that the brummel splice does not come undone or shorten/lengthen after loading/unloading and coiling, then it may not need stitching.
The thing no one has mentioned is that Dyneema/Spectra is NOTHING like Nylon or polyester that the brummel splice has been so successfully proven on. Dyneema/Spectra is extremely slick when new, and that fact makes more data - real world data that is hard to get in a lab - necessary to safely give advice to not stitch.
Thanks to those who have posted on having success with not stitching. Any one had a failure with a no stitch brummel?
Re: Do I need to do lock stitching on a brummel splice??
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:23 pm
by t3rse
Kamikuza wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:19 pm
SpunMonkey wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:38 pm
Either Brummel and don't stitch, or do a straight bury and stitch. Don't do both- Its a waste of your time...
This.
You're only stitching or using a brummell to stop the tail working its way out when the line isn't under load. Use a proper length bury and I'd bet it'd be impossible to have the tail work out.
This. The whole point of a brummel is not require stitching. There is no way it's going to pull out regardless of the material.