Thanks grigorib, this is what I needed to know and I now feel more confident in letting the person behind me know that I expect him or her to give way.grigorib wrote:First thing first - the guy behind you should not be in your wake or pushing you onshorevela99 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:46 pmOne situation I come across occasionally on a crowded day is that as I approach shore I take a look backwards before initiating a jibe to learn that close behind me lee wards another kiter approaches the shore leaving me without any options but to stop. You can take two views on this; 1. I should have anticipated this and avoid the situation to begin with or 2. the kiter following close up lee wards should realize the situation and immediately maneuver to allow me to turn. Which would be the right way to look at this?
Few things I would do then:
- raise my back hand and do a rotation gesture trying to communicate "I'm going to turn, get out of my way"
- if I'm an ass I make a jerk kite movement to zenith combined with sheeting out and let the guy following me to freak the hell out for a second and then I keep going on my original course. A bit like same to touching brake pedal to flash the red lights to the tailgater.
- I assess his kite and the rider position and either aggressively downloop and turn downwind of him or textbook scenario raise my kite and turn staying upwind of him. If you're faster and more efficient rider you simply have more options than the other one.
Thanks Matteo V but I think you are not addressing the question I have or maybe I am not reading you correctly!? I am talking about two kiters actively riding on two different waves on the same tack doing bottoms and cut backs on small on shore waves which require a lot of kite movement. The small waves being close together I guess that common sense dictates that the person surfing on the second wave behind the first kiter has to make sure his kite does not get into the way of the first kiter. I would like to see some assurance this is correct or to hear otherwise.Matteo V wrote:So lets define this rule (please note there is no rule book on this, so this rule is an interpretation of local customs, and the majority agreement from forums):vela99 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:46 pmOne situation I come across occasionally on a crowded day is that as I approach shore I take a look backwards before initiating a jibe to learn that close behind me lee wards another kiter approaches the shore leaving me without any options but to stop. The kiter that forced you in is wrong.
Anther situation I come across occasionally in small onshore wave conditions with waves coming in very short sequence. Two kiters surf two consecutive waves with the risk of kites or lines actually crossing during bottom turns and top turns. Does the kiter surfing the 2nd wave, the one coming behind give way to the guy on the first wave in front? I guess so. This can be a special circumstance that applies to only kiteboarding, though it does not conflict with maritime law as no vessels other than kiteboarders utilize the surf break (ok..kayaks, SUP's are now vessels, JetSurfboards, standup jetskis [only one with more maneuverability than a kiter]. But for the most part, this is a kiter on kiter interaction. And because of this, the widely agreed upon kitesurfing specific rule is that a rider on an incoming wave, while riding that wave, has the right of way.
(1&2 change rule of "out going has right of way over incoming")
1. If a kitesurfer is on an incoming wave and a kitesurfer is just heading out form shore into the water, outgoing kiter must yield for the kiter ON THE WAVE (I do not particularly agree with this one but abide by it).
2. If a kitesurfer is "under way" and heading out after coming to the inside from a wave ride, but a rider is ON A WAVE coming in, the outgoing kiter must yield to the kiter ON THE WAVE.
(3, 4, & 5 illustrate when the rule of outgoing has the right of way over incoming is "not changed")
3. If a kiter ON THE WAVE disengages the wave, or the wave closes out becoming small enough to ride back out over, the kiter that was on the wave now yields right of way back to the outgoing kiter - and must turn around to head back out. That kiter previously on the wave can re-assume the right of way (head back in) if faced with an incoming wave that cannot be safely gone over. This helps avoid an outgoing rider pushing another outgoing rider into something that they will fall on, lose their board, and become much more of an obstacle in the break than if the rider on the inside just waits on the inside.
4. If the incoming rider is NOT ON A WAVE, but rather between sets/crests, that rider does not have the right of way over an outgoing rider. Only a kiter ON THE WAVE CAN change the rule.
5. An incoming rider ON THE WAVE does NOT HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY to force the kiter on the inside to retreat to shore or run aground in shallow water. Wave or not, you must not run another kiter out of the water or cause them to run aground/stop and stand (I do stop out of courtesy on most occasions, but this should not be the rule).
This response would also be up for debate on the proper course of action.
So the answer to your specific question about 2 kiters on consecutive waves is as follows (as i see it). Both have equal right to ride the wave, but must avoid collision. Personally, I only ride a wave in tandem with people I know. But with consecutive waves, I just do not have a good record of riding and not having to change my ride because of the guy on the next wave out or the next wave in.