Teabageppo wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:11 am
I'm still yet to read any discerning comparisons about the two kites mentioned in the thread title.
The reason I would like some articulated, researched thoughts from actually flying both (whether will always be subjective) is because I very soon, will demo a quiver of X5's. It would be good to have some comparative notes. We always demo these kites with 5 riders, in 10 minutes rotations (one left on the beach) so we can have other kites to compare. All the riders are 15 years plus kiters, except the young fella' whose in his 6th year...and already nearly passing us all...grrrrrrrr
So ....two guys here are saying middle setting at the wingtips and lightest bar pressure on the front bridle...is that right?
ps If the crack about the rebel fifth line loss moaning on the rebel thread was directed at me, take another close read. I'm not the one whining and whining like a bitch...that''s the other guy.....
pps I also disagree about not noticing the year on year improvements (not that I buy kites every year but I always ride them to see). When you are a company like north with large R and D budgets and teams, they can get through a lot of prototypes and feedback within a year.
I know we all like to think kites aren't getting better, so some kind ride their shitty 2011 kites and go wow, these are just as good.
They aren't. But you gotta be good enough to notice, most aren't. So don't go bagging a year turn around, against a two year turn around...you don't know what are talking about basically. All companies are about selling gear, selling stuff regardless who they are. Business is not a romantic ideal.
But hey that's what forums are for, hence why most the really experienced guys I know never visit these places...lol. Me, I just find all your bullshit hilarious.
Well my friend, I think you might just be the type of critical feedback I’ve been waiting for, if you say you’re about to test the 5. And if you feel you can make a call on the XR5 vs. Rebel, I’m definitely curious to hear it. Not that I think it matters much. If you go through my posts on the XR5 you’d be forgiven for thinking I’m a mindless fanboy. I am not, and I genuinely want to hear from someone who does not like the 5. I (still) have nothing bad to say. It’s slightly unnerving and I’m not a religious person in general.
We will have to agree to disagree on the R&D and detailed feedback (which really is subjective). Is it possible to innovate year on year? Yes. Is it usually enough to compel people to upgrade? I don’t see it. With respect to Core’s general 2-year cycle, all I can say is I follow the product line closely and speak to them whenever I can (I live a 2-hour drive from HQ). I have no clue which will be the next upgrade from them or when it will hit the street. Will we get another GTS next year? A new Choice board? Both? It could be next year, the year after or not at all. Maybe they introduce something completely new. The point is, they don’t lock-in their R&D on rigid timelines like the rest of the big manufacturers, which I believe allows them to reject compromises that other manufacturers just accept willy-nilly because deadlines don’t allow for more thorough research. And I don’t doubt Core has the budget to compete either. They seem to have grown considerably in the last 5 years.
On a side note: I’d suggest bringing a comparable sized XR4 to the test of you can. The most valid comparison in my view is to test the 5 against its predecessor, not the Rebel. For me: the 5 carries over all the good stuff from the 4 (same massive wind range and superb stability) but the 5 is like a turbo-charged version of the 4. Kind of like an M3 over a 3-series BMW. Turns on a dime and delivers serious grunt/boost when you ask it. Would especially like to know what you think of this “intelligent trim” Core touts. Bridle and wingtip settings combined with a shorter bridle overall does some pretty funky stuff to the canopy shape and definitely feels like a big jump in performance.
And no, my swipe at the “moaners” was not directed at you. You were trying to help the despondent guy who (apparently) is giving North the finger now over on the other thread. But seriously, what the hell is up with that 5th line and North’s inconsistency/turnaround? It’s a bit ridiculous.
If I’m one of the two guys you refer to then no, mostly I use (on my 12m in 16-20 knots) the fastest wingtip setting and medium (what Core calls “light”) bar pressure. But as I said, this can change quite a bit depending on size and weather and I suggest you play around with it. I’m slightly worried 15 minute intervals won’t be enough for you guys, but I guess it’s better than nothing.
Anyways, looking forward to your assessment. With Core’s bar would be great too but I won’t push my luck. Hehe.