HAHA, I could say the same thing but swap the word Prodigy for Flite and Flite for Prodigy. I just ordered the new Roam but only a 6m so it will be awhile before I really have an opinion on it.Jwoo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:04 pmI have both the Flite and Prodigy in a 12. I prefer the Prodigy for surf. I can always tell where the Prodigy is, it's predictable, turns reasonably fast, and has a good feel. For some reason I loose track of the Flite and sometimes find it where I don't want it. The Flite is awesome for free ride, but I don't really like it in the surf (compared to the Prodigy). Never tried the Roam though.Laughingman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:27 pmDefinitely try a 12m OR Flite. It is not called a "wave" kite but since it is so light when lines go slack it sorta flattens out and just kind of hangs there.. slowly drifting back till you turn away from it and the lines tighten.. very unique and I like riding waves with it.
Hi Alfredo, I'm 100 kg (220 pds) and my wave quiver is 5-7-9-11 2017 Neo. If you're looking for a 12m wave kite, it can sounds weird, but a 10m Neo (maybe the 11m) can do the job... and your turning speed would be solved. The Neo is really powerful for it's size. For example, my 11m Neo pulls like my 13m Evo (wich I sold). At 35-40 knots, I'm on my 5m on SB. This kite is amazing.
Your point is taken, however, beyond that it seems to me that the parameters in kite design are limited. There are only so many elements that can be tweaked one way or another. Tweaking in one direction will improve certain characteristics ... but at the expense of other characteristics. So ... how about defining what those characteristics are to start with?norcom wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:55 pmAs I've mentioned in a similar thread a while ago, most of these replies are worthless. One HAS to compare the speed of a kite to another kite. In this case, a wave kite preferably against another wave kite. Only after that could there be a consensus on which kites are faster than others.
Just because one has flown a kite and thought it's speed was fast gives no relative comparison as to what they feel it's faster than. Three pages of "this kite's fast! try it!" are pointless when most people have money to buy only one and will probably buy online becuase we don't all live in areas where you can get a demo.
2015 Cabo 11m MUCH FASTER, lighter feeling, than 2015 SST 12m. The SST has MUCH better drift. I can make my SST 10m w/20m lines on a 23" bar fly as fast as the 11m Cabo on 27m lines and 23" bar. SST lacks in upwind compared to Cabo. The SST has more power in downloops compared to the Cabo and a much constant pull on the wave. SST has less depower than Cabo and get's quite heavy when overpowered.
My point is that characteristics without a comparison are useless. You can get characteristics from most brands marketing pages but not a kite to kite comparison. One needs more than one data point to compare points but someone has to know both of the values.Flyboy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:09 pm
Your point is taken, however, beyond that it seems to me that the parameters in kite design are limited. There are only so many elements that can be tweaked one way or another. Tweaking in one direction will improve certain characteristics ... but at the expense of other characteristics. So ... how about defining what those characteristics are to start with?
Boost (for "freeriding")
Are there other ones that should be included?
I use Cabos. I would characterize them this way:
Poor low end
Good high end
Light bar pressure
Fast turning speed
I don't have much experience with other wave kites, but I suspect that other models will favour one characteristic over another. So Neos, for example, would have better low end, worse high end, heavier bar pressure, similar drift, slower turning speed & better boost.
I already acknowledged & agreed with your point. However ... people are then stuck with having to try multiple wave kites to make a useful comparison - not likely to happen - read the kitesurf mag reviews/advertising material - of limited usefulness because of commercial considerations - or read people's comments on kiteforum. What can be gleaned, by applying critical reasoning (!), is the relative characteristics of different kites. I'm pretty sure what you're saying about the relative attributes of the SST, Neo & Cabos is accurate, as I've heard other similar comments & it makes sense. Claims that Neos (for example) have great low end AND are really fast, I would be sceptical of.
Just tried the new Eleveight WS. Only comes up to size 11, but its unreal.
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