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Re: Naish Park/Dash - like kite but not Naish?

Postby tautologies » Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:25 am

bc-sf wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:05 am
Naish should at least include some basic 'official way to fix the octopus' on their website.
Now this I agree with.
It really should have very very little teflon tape. I think key is maybe two round if even that. For me I tried a couple of rounds then a lot less and it was fine so I continued that. But yeah a good instructional manual would be good. I do think a good instructional video would be great. The kites are pretty bomber in build.

I do remember there was a video on youtube about this. Now that the zipper has been re-oriented its pretty easy to access even small struts.

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Re: Naish Park/Dash - like kite but not Naish?

Postby seaplus » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:34 am

Discovered my "Go-To" 2015 10.5m Draft has a slow leak. Pumped up the kite hard, then pulled the deflate plug. That deflated the LE bladder leaving then struts full. In a minute, an outboard strut went flat. I sprayed soapy water all over that strut but no bubbles...guessing the leak is in it's octopussy.

i love my drafts yet I'm not looking forward to fixing this but I have no choice...can't sell it with a leak and cant find anyone to fix it.

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Re: Naish Park/Dash - like kite but not Naish?

Postby Topaz » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:09 am

I don't think that qualifies as a leak. Those one way valves start being two ways valves pretty soon after the kite is not new anymore.

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Re: Naish Park/Dash - like kite but not Naish?

Postby GregK » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:50 am

If your Naish octopus 1-way valves aren't keeping the struts inflated after the LE is deflated, there is likely a tiny amount of debris stuck between the black rubber circular disc at the tip of the LE / male octopus valve and the valve body. That debris is preventing the disc from its function of sealing when the strut pressure exceeds that of the LE.

Separate the octopus valve. Gently lift the edges of the black rubber disc, clean its underside and clean the end of the valve end that supports the black disc when the strut is pressurized. Re-assemble, inflate the strut, and with luck, problem solved.

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Re: Naish Park/Dash - like kite but not Naish?

Postby Kemperman » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:26 am

The Naish dah is a nice kite. I would also consider/ test an ocean rodeo razor or cabrinha FX. Pretty similar kites.

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Re: Naish Park/Dash - like kite but not Naish?

Postby Topaz » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:50 pm

GregK wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:50 am
If your Naish octopus 1-way valves aren't keeping the struts inflated after the LE is deflated, there is likely a tiny amount of debris stuck between the black rubber circular disc at the tip of the LE / male octopus valve and the valve body. That debris is preventing the disc from its function of sealing when the strut pressure exceeds that of the LE.

Separate the octopus valve. Gently lift the edges of the black rubber disc, clean its underside and clean the end of the valve end that supports the black disc when the strut is pressurized. Re-assemble, inflate the strut, and with luck, problem solved.
Yes, that's the right solution.

However, I wouldn't take apart an octopus system that is holding air well, only to fix a one way internal valve.
If all internal valves are doing this, then you may have a safety problem in case your kite deflates during a session as you won't have the kite as floating device. But if you wear a life jacket or ride close to the shore and are a good swimmer, then even that may not be a good reason to take apart the octopus system.

'If it works, don't touch it', some people say.

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Re: Naish Park/Dash - like kite but not Naish?

Postby seaplus » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:33 pm

I apologize for wrecking the OPs topic and turning it into a "DIY" octopus thread...

As I stated in the first sentence of my post...my Draft has a slow leak. It's losing air and deflating. I don't know where the leak is coming from.

I pumped up the kite hard and listened and sprayed soapy water around every valve...no noise / no bubbles. I figured I'd take this project
to my garage where there's no wind to take another shot of listening for the leak. When I deflated the leading edge I realized the struts
were still holding air since I hadn't pulled their plugs yet. Figured I could wait this out and see if any struts go limp...sure enough, an outboard
strut went flat in a minute. Bingo...I bet the leak is coming from that strut.

So I guess before I take everything apart...I'll disconnect that strut from the bladder and somehow plug that octopus.
Then pump up the rest of the kite and see if the rest of the kite is good. If so, I'll tear into that outboard strut.

Wish me luck (and any pointers would be appreciated).

Thx - Tim

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Re: Naish Park/Dash - like kite but not Naish?

Postby styleito » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:18 pm

GregK wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:50 am
Naish octopus 1-way valves
I never thought about it before but, If you have a leak in a strut on a Naish kite does it suck the air out of the leading edge?
If so, that's another nail in the coffin for Naish IMO.

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Re: Naish Park/Dash - like kite but not Naish?

Postby seaplus » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:48 pm

yep..makes zero sense.
I don't see the benefit of the octopus system...especially if a strut has a leak and takes the rest
of the kite down with it. Dangerous in my opinion. If I were to find myself way offshore, I'd rather
a limp strut than a limp (and going limper) leading edge bladder.

Back to the repair..
I tore into my Draft a few minutes ago and once I wrapped my head around the system, it appears
that it's really not going to be that big of an issue to repair.

Tim

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Re: Naish Park/Dash - like kite but not Naish?

Postby Topaz » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:43 am

styleito wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:18 pm
GregK wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:50 am
Naish octopus 1-way valves
I never thought about it before but, If you have a leak in a strut on a Naish kite does it suck the air out of the leading edge?
If so, that's another nail in the coffin for Naish IMO.
Only if all internal valves are faulty and let air go in both ways.
Each strut with a good internal valve will keep the air.


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