Matteo V wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:36 am
downunder wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:41 am
Depending on the location, one might never need thick lines. Also, the back lines are quite thick near the bar for holding, so not a problem for the rider.
It is becoming evident that you may be one of those people that needs to learn by experience, not advice. Your initial and further questions have been answered and to recap:
Minimum thickness back lines are for -
Handling safety
Wear safety
Connection safety
Loading when the kite wraps a bridal
Unhooking loads
The danger that breaking 1 back line presents (uncontrolled looping)
downunder wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:41 am
Sure, a super thin lines can do a lot of damages but we need to put this into perspective of the sport.
The perspective has been established by the kite community long before I even became part of it. And it has evolved since then to the point where racers are not dropping below a certain minimum. Ozone has a pretty well established floor on the back line strength at 200kg. Given that racers are looking for every advantage, but are stuck with the reality of diminishing returns, your answer is right in front of you.
If you want to repeat others experiments below this threshold, go ahead and make sure to report back. But please be careful and respectful of other kiters. When your 100kg lines snap after 10 sessions, try to make sure you have your issues away from other kiters and especially innocent beach goers.
Matteo, ummm, answered by what? 5%? With due respect, but how did 5% come into equation? Why not 7%? or 9? 12?
Put it this way, please go into the shop and buy the bar for 50kg rider. Can you do that by your experience? No? So how come I can buy a KITE to suits all weights? Ahh, I know, because it's easier to sell the kite but not the bar with lines for specific weight.
Let's recap with my critique:
Minimum thickness back lines are for -
Handling safety - you mean releasing safety? How are back lines involved? Sure, I've released a number of times and towed the kite on one thin line.
Wear safety - wear? Replace them then. Do you replace bladders every now and then? No? Well than...
Connection safety - connection to what? Bar/kite? Cmon, pigtails are used for that or whatever.
Loading when the kite wraps a bridal - Sure, any line can fry under some circumstances.
Unhooking loads - do you unhook? 99% do not unhook intentionally. Unintentional unhooking does not count.
The danger that breaking 1 back line presents (uncontrolled looping) - any line can break.
Now my turn:
- easier to sell one bar
- cheaper to have one supplier
- cheaper to test or
- near impossible to test, hence
- blanket rule
- herd mentality (how many u know running any non stock lines?)
And not talking racers at all.
When your 100kg lines snap after 10 sessions, try to make sure you have your issues away from other kiters and especially innocent beach goers.
Gee, assumption is a mother of all ...You do not know me and my local conditions so stop and think before assuming. Thanks