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Re: Need advice for beginner - kite size

Postby badgb21 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:25 am

That Kite is not ideal for a learner.
Something easier to control and water re-launch would be better.
Hard to imagine thinking about low end at 54Kg!
Be sure you know what wind speed the kite will re launch in and don't let her our if it's below, keep safe.
This graph courtesy of Peter Frank is a close guide for me at 116Kg, (free ride type kites) I would be interested to hear how accurate it is a the lighter weight end.
Good luck with your choice.

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Re: Need advice for beginner - kite size

Postby grigorib » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:47 pm

on a cheap end find a 2012 Rally 14m as LW kite and 10m Rally 2012 as her regular size.
For newer I'd say 13m Contra for LW and 9m Rally (2014 or newer) as regular

consider 10 knots a LW conditions though and larger (door) board will help a lot as well as line extensions.

Don't look at any kites older than 2012

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Re: Need advice for beginner - kite size

Postby thewindego » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:26 pm

I 2nd the big door to get easy lowend. Then don't need the 14. What happens with such a large kite for her weight that if the wind comes up much at all she has to rig the 10 anyway. With a door you keep 10 in the air and just grab your regular tt and keep riding.

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Re: Need advice for beginner - kite size

Postby we » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:52 pm

My wife weighs 110 lbs and flies a 19m in 12 knots on a 129/38 board. She likes the large kites better than large boards. As a beginner she'll need a larger kite for the same wind speed.

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Re: Need advice for beginner - kite size

Postby Hugh2 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:05 pm

That's a very useful chart from Peter Frank. It agrees with my kite size usage at 85kg.

While I would normally recommend the Naish Pivot for several reasons as a great kite for a beginner, I don't actually like the 11m a buddy has, at least the 2015/2016 style (no experience with 2017-2019 models). I think the leading edge is too small diameter and hence, while that helps with going upwind, it makes the kite too "floppy". My 9m and especially my 7m Pivots (both 2015/2016 styles) are excellent. Re-start is easy, wind range great, stability and handling gusts great, and later on jumping and wave-riding are great too. I have no experience with 10 or 12m Pivots. I have a 2012 Cabrinha Vector for my 12m kite, and while it is a bit heavy and meant as a beginner kite, I find it works well for all the points above and with the relatively large leading edge diameter is definitely not "floppy". But they did not make or sell a lot of them so it might not be easy to find one. Sorry, no experience with other brands younger than 2012 (all Best kites before that), although my buddies love their Slingshot Rallys in all sizes.

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Re: Need advice for beginner - kite size

Postby Hugh2 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:06 pm

we wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:52 pm
My wife weighs 110 lbs and flies a 19m in 12 knots on a 129/38 board. She likes the large kites better than large boards. As a beginner she'll need a larger kite for the same wind speed.
How does she re-launch a 19m kite in 12 knot wind when out of her depth? I've never even flown anything over 16m!

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Re: Need advice for beginner - kite size

Postby grigorib » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:14 pm

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Re: Need advice for beginner - kite size

Postby Mossy 757 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:21 pm

If you get your sister an old kite designed for advanced wakestyle tricks, the odds of her falling in love with kiting will plummet exponentially, compared to getting her a more beginner friendly freeride kite.

The quality of the equipment, as well as its ease of use, are HUGE factors in getting people over the learning curve, so consider any additional cost incurred "invested" in your sister's long-term enjoyment of the sport.

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Re: Need advice for beginner - kite size

Postby grigorib » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:24 pm

badgb21 wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:25 am
...This graph courtesy of Peter Frank is a close guide for me at 116Kg, (free ride type kites) I would be interested to hear how accurate it is a the lighter weight end.
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Hugh2 wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:05 pm
...although my buddies love their Slingshot Rallys in all sizes.
I would give a discount if 2011 on the graph is year when it was produced and I'm sorry if it sucked that bad back then (but I think it didn't)
But the error margin is just too high on the chart.
Or maybe I think of lowend-sweet for largest sizes primarily and rather of sweet-high end of the smaller ones which are different sides of the range

I'm about 200 lbs ~ 90kg and with 15m Turbine I could ride in as low as 7 knots. Steadily.
In 16 knots (whitecaps) I can ride an 8m but I'd take 11m for comfy riding. Same 11m Rally will get me gong in 10knots.
From 20-30 I'll be boosting big on 9m Turbine

I wouldn't accept an argument that whole chart is for identical board size and line length because you're supposed to use adequate setup for each condition.
Besides taking a larger board and longer lines for LW a heavier person should be using a larger board to start with.


Great visualization though, I'll start my own chart, it should be cool little project
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Re: Need advice for beginner - kite size

Postby grigorib » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:50 pm

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