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Foil
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Re: 2019 Duotone Click Bar

Postby Foil » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:19 pm

COOP wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:23 am
When you say you got two years out of the lines. Do you know how much kiting exactly or guesstimate?
good call.
its confusing me a little as my leader lines hidden inside the bar are in my photos above, and even though my thinner main lines are being replaced, the leader lines are like new as you can see,this bar is 12 months old, and used a lot, 4 days a week normally then 3 months of almost every day on holiday, 10 of those weeks on sand, 2 weeks on a lake, and I click away merrily all the time during a session.
another question is - is that the 11mtr main (thicker) front line or the 11mtr thinner one above that?

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Re: 2019 Duotone Click Bar

Postby fun2kite » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:13 am

Fair questions. Let me answer:

1. I ride about 2 times per week on the average. and my sessions are typically 1-3 hours long. Because I use F-one Breeze kite with the click-bar, I had it mainly on all the way depower position 80% of the time. Not using clicker too much.

2. The lines that had wear are the "thiner" lines inside the bar that roll-unroll by power/depower mechanism. This is where all the wear was on the inside-the-bar lines. I also had wear on the outside of the leader line, but that was probably due to one of my floaters tearing off and exposing the line.. Since I ride depowered most of the time, the bare line was exposed and it rubbed itself against the exit hole in the bar.

3. as far as my centre-line goes: it had all the wear-and-tear right at the bottom of the QR-mechanism, where the thick-red-line comes out and ends with a leash-ring.. It got worn at the place where the lines rubs against the hole in the chicken-loop-quick-release mechanism. Sot it is the "bottom part" thicker front line. But on 2016 bar, it's ONE piece. Is it now two pieces and can be replaced separately?

Hope this answers all the questions.

Question of my own: You are saying you can replace just the "thin" portion of the leader line? But they are NOT sold like this. I had to buy the whole leader line set (both parts) for about 40 EUR online.

Foil wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:19 pm
COOP wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:23 am
When you say you got two years out of the lines. Do you know how much kiting exactly or guesstimate?
good call.
its confusing me a little as my leader lines hidden inside the bar are in my photos above, and even though my thinner main lines are being replaced, the leader lines are like new as you can see,this bar is 12 months old, and used a lot, 4 days a week normally then 3 months of almost every day on holiday, 10 of those weeks on sand, 2 weeks on a lake, and I click away merrily all the time during a session.
another question is - is that the 11mtr main (thicker) front line or the 11mtr thinner one above that?

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Gear: Moses T38 full carbon Ltd edition. number 3 and number 56.
101cmMoses Carbon mast
Moses- 633 wave wing and stab
Moses 2018 637 race wing and stab,
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Ozone Reo 6/8/9/10/12/
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North 2018 click bars
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Re: 2019 Duotone Click Bar

Postby Foil » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:39 pm

fun2kite wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:13 am
Question of my own: You are saying you can replace just the "thin" portion of the leader line? But they are NOT sold like this. I had to buy the whole leader line set (both parts) for about 40 EUR online.
/quote]
Yes I am replacing them, but not with North lines.
Power Q line replacements are on their way from Wind of Change kites, salt lake city, Utah.
I have ordered 3 x 25mtr sets (12x25mtr) of Q line for my 3 click bars.

Foil
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Gear: Moses T38 full carbon Ltd edition. number 3 and number 56.
101cmMoses Carbon mast
Moses- 633 wave wing and stab
Moses 2018 637 race wing and stab,
Moses wings 590 and 548
Ozone Reo 6/8/9/10/12/
Nobile 50/50 twin tip
North 2018 click bars
massive grin
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Re: 2019 Duotone Click Bar

Postby Foil » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:41 pm

repeat
Last edited by Foil on Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.

dice
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Re: 2019 Duotone Click Bar

Postby dice » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:28 am

jaystore wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:39 am
dice wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:43 am
If you don't want sand inside, don't go to the beach.
Everything gets sand inside. And Duotone knows this, if it couldn't handle sand, they would've never built it.
Sounds you are a duotone designer. If you are a click bar user than take care. My warning is supported by 13 years in this business, what about your experience?
Did duotone knew about lines problem?
I once talked to someone who worked at North back then and he told me that it's built to withstand sand. Idk about the lines.
And other than that, it seems like common sense to me that whenever you take something to the beach, it will get sand everywhere.
My logic is supported by my whole life at the beach :D

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Re: 2019 Duotone Click Bar

Postby iriejohn » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:01 am

dice wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:28 am
I once talked to someone who worked at North back then and he told me that it's built to withstand sand. Idk about the lines.
You were evidently told the truth about the mechanism being built to withstand sand. Shame about the lines but hey, you can't have everything. :wink:

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Gear: Moses T38 full carbon Ltd edition. number 3 and number 56.
101cmMoses Carbon mast
Moses- 633 wave wing and stab
Moses 2018 637 race wing and stab,
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Ozone Reo 6/8/9/10/12/
Nobile 50/50 twin tip
North 2018 click bars
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Re: 2019 Duotone Click Bar

Postby Foil » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:53 pm

repeat.

silversurfer_no
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Re: 2019 Duotone Click Bar

Postby silversurfer_no » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:40 am

Just did a check of my North clickbar. I bought it as soon as it came out and have well over a hundred sessions on it, mainly in heavy duty Gran Canaria conditions with sharp rocks and high winds. I fail to understand the criticism of the north lines. I have gone for non-brand replacement lines a couple of times but always ends up with being disappointed: Not the same stiffness and wearability I am used to with the originals. A shame really as the North lines are horrendously expensive.

Anyway, based on the info supplied in this thread I did open up the bar also to check for internal wear but found none. I guess it could be that I only sail some 20% of my sessions on sand and ALWAYS rinse the bar in fresh water after a session.

I am not sponsored in any way by North/Duotone (rather the opposite I would say....) but just thought I share my experiences to balance the picture a little. Thanks for the heads up though, always better to check once to many times than ending up with a kitemare.
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Leon van Bergen
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Re: 2019 Duotone Click Bar

Postby Leon van Bergen » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:46 pm

Good to read Silversurf, thank you for your experience..!

COOP
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Re: 2019 Duotone Click Bar

Postby COOP » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:07 pm

Out of curiosity Silversurf, how often do you do rotations and loops in a session?
Where the lines twist is where they fray very badly.


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