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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2002 7:10 am 
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Hey Johnny or anyone else into lightwind, what's your lowest limit for jumpin and what gear, techniques are you using.
I'm definately up for tryin 7-9 next time I get it with a 12m mastair on 40m lines and a big directional to keep the speed up as the kite rises, then a quick progressive cutback upwind to tension the lines.
Anyone else?
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Hey Jo,
Understand, that living in Florida is the number one reason I can ride in light winds...it certainly doesn't mean that I prefer light winds. That being said...

I don't understand the question I don't think. If you can sail behind a kite, you can jump with the kite. So, are you asking how high we can jump in low wind? Or does any and all jumps count? Seems like one can always get some sort of transitional jump or other even in very light winds. SO I guess the answer to the question as I read it would have to be 8-9 knots.

What I use for the light wind days is 2003 17m Slingshot Fuel coupled with either a Manta or LFT. Somedays when I'm not too lazy to carry it, I may also ride a big f-one directional I have from old school days.

What works for me doesn't always work for others though. I have seen alot of people take my combo out when I come in and they couldn't do it. Alot of the light wind riding is in technique, plain and simple....of course, the right gear gelps too, but it takes more than JUST the gear. Practice, practice, practice...cuz even riding in under 10 knots beats the hell out of setting on the beach and watching ME ride in less than 10. :wink:

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Definately, so what you're saying is as long as you can go upwind the jumping potential is there and it's just a question of technique and timing (obviously a lot more than doing the same thing in more wind), sounds good to me.
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have the kite a lil lower than usual and don't load the edge too hard. speed is more impoartant than tension in low wind.
but be agressive with the kite.
kick it back as hard as you can and in the moment it gets behind you, jump hard and give it a strong pull with the forward hand.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2002 3:24 pm 
you poor bastards, light wind jumping is like how weak you can make your coffee and still call it coffee, I assume you live in a non powered site, you poor bastards, how about surfing, or kniting, or moving?


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Funny guy! Yes, we live in an area that happens to have a no wind or very light wind season. We also have though a windy season to go along with it. Yeah, too bad for us we can't live where it blows all day every day. However, we choose to still have fun at the beach and on the water even when we are restricted by light winds. It's still fun. Is this a bad thing?

Down at the Masters in Miami that just past, alot of the riders were unable to perform their magic. This was due in large to the fact tht the winds were so light. However, they weren't so light that you couldn't ride and you couldn't jump. The riders that DO take the time to still ride when winds are light are the riders that will excel in such competitions with such conditions. The riders that choose to stay off the water unless it's blowing 17 knots or above lose when they find themselves in a light winded competition. So, really, you should learn to ride in ALL wind. Even if you are not competing, it's still nice to know that you will make it back to shore if the winds drop to 6 or 7 instead of swimming in or coming in a mile downwind and walking back.

Us poor bastards, you SHOULD feel for us! Or better yet, if you'd like, just go ahead and feel ME! :wink:

Da fing is, the man asked how low of wind you can jump in and I answered him. murdoc followed up with details on getting it done. Sp we are all content. Go away and leave us alone fokiten. Image
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Thanks for the usual positive input Fokitthen, yes, this summer was absolutely shite by our usually pretty good thermal standards so I got into lightwind stuff, that is, until I discovered knitting, now that is what I call hot, those backstiches man, front over unders and one-handed back loops like WOW and you can do ALL those tricks anytime without even as much as a sparrows fart.
In fact I didn't mean to join this bloody kiting forum at all, I typed KNitting into me search engine and got you guys, maybe I forgot the N.
Oh well.
Hang time.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2002 4:30 pm 
Ahh, the smell of naypom in the morning, You gotta love it, you woke up and smelled the coffee, oops thats a delicate subject party on guys if i lived there i'd be with ya, I live hear by chance and am very lucky, could not resist having fun, what is neg about that?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2002 5:55 pm 
I have a question for all you light wind specialists. While I realize that it will not affect the Florida kiters very much, does anyone notice a difference in performance when the air is cold/dry and thick i.e. humidity less than 30% and temp around 15C? I have many years of experience on ram-air parachutes and there is a huge difference in lift and overall rate of decent in the thick, cold air. I am still very new to kiting and have not had a chance to try it in the cold yet (very soon though, just got a dry suit) and was hoping to get out a little sooner in the fall/spring because of this little boost.

As well, I have read a lot of reviews already, but does anyone konw if there is a substantial difference in performance between the Mastair 12 and say the Warrior 16. I understand the 'skill of the kiter' factor, but all else being equal, how do they compare? It seems that the Warrior is a little more well behaved, but I would be interested in some first hand experience. I am definitely going to pick up one of these kites for next years doldrums (all summer).

Thanks, and keep posting your findings - poor bastards or not - I am certainly getting a lot out of the discussion.


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it's one thing when you enjoy living at some windy place - but another to spit on those who don't.
i'm sure you know the feeling when you haven't been out on the water for about 20 days and all your friends are annoyed of your constant bad temper ...

if that's how it is, you'll grab your stuff even in the lightest breeze end try to have as much fun as possible.


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