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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 7:15 pm 
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On 2002-11-06 17:36, Geronymous wrote:
why is North (and Naish) putting such short depowers on their NEW kites???


Because their team riders tune them. Those guys want to be wound out all the time. They can edge like nobodies business to keep speed in check. They need to still have plenty power when they let go of the bar to do no handed tricks. I bet they also test and tune in steadier winds than some of us kite in. Most weekend warriors will be more comfortable and in control with a bigger sheeting range. I have been doing this mod since the AR5. I can edge just fine, but I sure tire out way faster. R!


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 7:35 pm 
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Yeah, that's a point too. I found the kite with the old depower to be fine in steady winds but a bitch in gusty stuff.


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humm, u can put more 30cm on back lines of a rhino2 and it just will do nothing. Kite is trimmed to fly powered, it will not deepower more than it is suposed to do.

Already tried that.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 8:23 pm 
The first thing I do with a new bar in increase the length of the depower. Im now using 2003 slingshotys and have about 15 inches of depower. I was out the other day with the 15 in about 25 knots of wind nearly fully depowered and the back lines were still tight. Turning was the same as normal but I could still use the Kite comfortably. I have always wondered how Naish and North think that the same length depower will work on a 4 meter as well as a 25 meter, in my eyes it can't. Dave Edwards when he was riding for Naish would always adjust the length of the lines on the back of the kite before he went out, this way the heh has already shortened the front lines for the xtra wind and then have the normal amount of depower on the strap to depower further if he wanted, his idea is that he doesnt want a rope flicking around in front of his eyes while tring to perform.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 8:23 pm 
The only way to insure max depower is to eliminate oversheeting by adding to the back lines THIS HOW YOU DO IT. if you can oversheet you are not getting max depower end of story, done, finished, over, the end!
also the aparrent wind can effect backline slack you must water test to know for sure.
Depower is great faster kite better turns bigger jumps, there is no down side,A tuned kite is a better kite.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 8:55 pm 
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Usually I would like to have more depower range, than my arm length. If I make de depower line longer, the bar goes very high and the trim gets almost out of reach.
I am thinking that one possible solution could be to attach a pulley to the spreader bar, via a quick release shackle. The depower line should go through the pulley, and tied to the bar.
This setup should result in a big depowering range with little bar move (2 x 1).
Had anybody tried something like this?


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Is there any point in oversheeting a kite? Will the kite turn faster if its oversheeted, or does it turn fastest with the tips even? Tips even I supose


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 10:38 pm 
Jo, Your last point helps explain why Naish tie the c loop off short. It is too easy to oversheet the kite. When you oversheet any of the kites that fly off their front lines they do not work. In fact in light wind by oversheeting you can get may of the new kites to fly backwards. Naish still give you room on the chicken loop to make it longer if you want to. Another option is that oversheeting the kite actually allows a lot of the wind to be spilled from the kite. This will depower it, however the kite does not fly to the edge of the window, so be careful if you do this!! Once the back lines are slack you have hit the max depower. any more than that is not needed.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 11:51 pm 
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On 2002-11-06 20:23, fokiten wrote:
The only way to insure max depower is to eliminate oversheeting by adding to the back lines THIS HOW YOU DO IT. if you can oversheet you are not getting max depower end of story, done, finished, over, the end!
also the aparrent wind can effect backline slack you must water test to know for sure.
Depower is great faster kite better turns bigger jumps, there is no down side,A tuned kite is a better kite.

I seldom quote my self but it seems nessary.
Ikeep seeing lengthen depower line, This is not where to start, if you want a tuned kite start by elimminating oversheeting by lengthenig rear pigs, above post was dead on oversheeted kite moves backward,turns not much and is of little or no use whatsoever. If you can oversheet your kite it needs work.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 11:59 pm 
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Jo,
that's interesting, I shortened the rope on my SS16 recently. It's a trade off between riding position and depower range, I seem to get the range of oversheet to slack back lines without using the whole length of the rope.

I wanted the top stopper to be less of a stretch so I can trim the kite to still have some back line tension when I let go of the bar, and not ride like I'm sitting on the toilet. This way I can be comfortable and have a little depower but lots of power up available. I also use 20m flying lines on this kite to try and speed it up and increase the wind range.

Each to their own. In principle I agree - more depower is better however you achieve it.


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