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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2002 12:35 am 
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On 2002-11-11 13:24, shunter wrote:

Now to disagree High aspect kites will work for heavier guys Dwight you just need to learn kite skills and not rely on grunt to get you thru. I suppose I am lucky but I live in a place far far way where the sun shines all day and the wind blows 17+ knots every day and the beaches are uncrowded and the chicks and guys if ya bat that way sun bath nude…… ah no that’s lasts nights dream


Any way I fly one of the before mentioned “ stay clear off if you are big and fat “ kites and luv the extra hang and speed of turning I get from it. My kiting has improved heaps. But we do get good wind.

Shane



You miss understood the intent of my "kites to stay clear of" list. I fly high aspect kites too. I was only trying to point out kites that are popular with light weights because they turn really fast and race to the edge really fast. Many high aspect kites do not do any of those things. Most heavy dudes don't like the 9.4 (12 flat or there about) Lift for expample. I believe Callum is an ex-Lift user and heavy dude. We have others like him locally. Sure there are exceptions to everything, but I think my advice is probably what more heavy people would think, than not think. The Supertype is just like the Lift. Our local dude who weighs 120 lbs thinks it's the bomb. To me it flys like it's on acid. Now we can sling mud all day and you can say I need more kite skill to master the supertype, or we can cut the bull shit and give good advice for a heavy guy.



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Yep the 12 supertype is on speed for big guys. is that the one you tried? How much do you weigh

the 14,16 and 19 are alot more user friendly for bigger guys. the 16 is a quick kite but its Not that acid fast.

The 16 and 19 work for me you can stall them out to sit further back in the window for no whip type tricks and like i said the hang and pop from these kites is great.

But they are not kites for 270 lb beginners and that is what the post is about.

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On 2002-11-12 00:35, Dwight wrote:
Most heavy dudes don't like the 9.4 (12 flat or there about) Lift for expample. I believe Callum is an ex-Lift user and heavy dude. We have others like him locally.


Yip, heavy dude and ex lift flyer... I liked the lifts, if the wind was consistent and the water wasn't too messy - i.e in ideal conditions.
Reality though, 90% of the time I struggled with both the 12.2 and 9.4 because of the aspect, just not enough low end grunt and shooting to the edge too easily.

basically I found they made slightly gusty conditions feel gustier than they needed to be!

Interestingly My FlexiFoil Storm 12m laid on top of a 9.4 Lift is very close in aspect, but it doesn't shoot around like the 9.4 did and it has more low end. when these two kites are pumped up there is noticbly more camber in the Storm - a thicker profile, I believe that this is what makes the difference in this case.

Thicker Bodied Person = Thicker Profile Kite lol

(usually lower aspect have thicker profiles - but this is changing - For example I believe a rhino2 would have a thicker profile than an x2 - or not???) - no one has rhino2's here yet, they're not available...

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Thicker profile/low high aspect helps but is not the be all end all. I think its where the kite sits in the window. Will profile affect this? or is it some other aspect of kite design that no one talks about?

When i look at the supertypes they have more camber in the struts than a lift or a X2. I havent measured this and could be wrong but thats what it looks like to me.

A flater profiled kite should be faster thru the Air hence the lifts tendency to surge to the edge of the wind window. which would make gusty wind hell or nice depending on if you want fast depowering.

Ah shit this is well of the topic Dwight you need to start anouther kite design post so we can have 1800 hits in two days.

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