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The new, old in some ways, pin Quick Releases are growing in popularity among manufacturers. Many of the 2003 bar systems have them. Wipika and Naish X2 had them on 2002 bars. Now that these have been out for a while, what do we think about them?

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I have been using retrofitted Wipika QRs on two bars for the last several months and so far so good with no problems. I was hoping that these pin QRs could provide a lower cost and more reliable alternative to snap shackles. One of the more reliable, high end snap shackles is shown below. Have folks had problems with the more expensive Tylaska and Wichard snap shackles?

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The lower cost designs by many accounts may be unreliable and may not release under loading for a variety of reasons including sand, improper rigging, failure to release under high loading, etc..

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So, what sort of experience have people had with the new QRs?

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Hello Rick

First please appologize my bad english

Im long time searching about good quickrelease system but util now i didt found it.

About pin based QR (Wipika, Gaastra, Takoon, Maui Magic...)
Naish is different (pin-tube system)

It is not from my personal experience but in well know German Kitesurfing magazine
i read QR devices test report

and about all this type devices they wrote:

Very dangerous becouse HUGE release power under load (400N) In Takoon case they broke release triger. I can scan page from magazine with this test and send to you
I wrote one time this thing on kiteforum.com but nobody take me serious.
Maybe when you write it they will.

Tomas


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Hey Tomtom can you repost the test results, I think many will be more interested now,

Thks, fabjet


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Hello Tomas,

I heard about that article from others and just sent an email to the publication to see if it would be possible to obtain a copy of it. Pending the outcome of that, could you repost your earlier statements about it as Fabjet requested? If anyone can provide the entire document that may help even more.

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The article is under the thread 'New QR Chicken Loop For Any Bar'. Something about the pins not releasing under load. I'd like to know how they tested this.


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Me too - because in the same magazine one issue before or after, they had an article with photos showing how fast you could release a powered kite with the pin system.

I swear to the pin systems, because I find them more reliable than even the Wichard schackle - because you can't accidentally release the pin systems.
This is too easy with the wichard - if you just get the release ball moved 1 or 2 mm by accident, it will release !!!
This can't happen with the pin system.
It will release when you want it to release - and not before !
I've tried releasing it with my full bodyweight - and it was sooo easy.


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Rick, I use a Tylaska T-8 and for the most part it has worked great. Sand can cause the trigger to jam and in addition when its under load it is more sensitve than when not, if you accidently bump it it can release.


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Ok guys i send scaned page from magazine to rick. I dont know how to place picture on this forum maybe rick know

Tomas


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Hello Tomas,

Excellent, I really appreciate it. I will upload the scanned image and link it to a post under this thread.

Please email it to:
flkitesurfer@hotmail.com

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I have been using a pin & tube release all season. It has all the advantages of a shackle and none of its Cons.

Unintencional releases:0
Imposible to release: 0

The funcion is perfect, now I m working on give it a more "commercial look" and thinking on how to replace the Snap
shackle "secondary release" with a cheaper pin or webbing release. (not difficult but time consuming)

This is part of a whole spinining leash bar system that works
100%. I have posted this info before at this forum "Hernan's Bar"

If you want to see it in action:

http://homepage.mac.com/hernanhome/FileSharing1.html

Note: No Com interest. Feel free to ask any question.

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