IanR wrote:Strong enough to disprove every comment you have to say about foils. I was thinking the other day, some newbie guy i work with got into kiteing and he has started on a Diesel 13m. Essentially a crappy Fuel (You don't buy SS to get a budget kite) but anyway he was given some smack talk about how for wave riding (what he wants to do) that tubes are the thing to have in the surf. Apparently foils turn to slowly, cannot be relaunched in waves etc blah blah. Then i got thinking on how many people talk to me about how much better tubes are upwind, jumping doing tricks etc and after everytime of asking 'have you flown them?' or 'Show me something you can do on your tube i can't on my foil' the answer is no or some other excuse, it all began to make sense.
It seems that people don't buy foils for 2 reasons. 1 is because they are a newbie and know nothing about kiteing so get what their friends are riding or what they see at the beach. The other reason is from reading consistant drivel from people who have never flown anything but tubes and repeat the same crap about why not to buy anything else over and over. It's like anything i suppose if you say it enough eventually you'll believe it.
In light of all this i feel it time to begin doing exactly the same. At my local beach generally the beach is 70/30 tubes and on some occasions can be 70/30 foils. What i think i'll start doing is scare mongering about tubes. Some phrases i've thought up:
"Should keep away from <insert> i hear people have had bladders pop in mid flight and get spanked up the beach"
"I wouldn't do many tricks on those <insert> when they slam down some have ripped in half, it's the type of stiching apparently"
"I wouldn't feel safe on a tube way out the back as some guys bladder valve popped open and he had to swim, but his kite was destroyed by the waves"
"That new 5th flips that kite <insert> over and then rips them in half"
I think it's only fair
and others like myself started on a foil in good belief that foils were the future so they should buy the latest state of the art foil (Flysurfer SPeed at the time) with some big cash.
It came out that no one at his beach could give him advice, or even help him in case of an emergency for example. They wouldn't even approach me and look as if I was gay or something
the kite couldn't handle the unstable side/sideoffshore winds we get here a lot and it definitely couldn't stand up to being washed in the waves! also the claims of the best depower ever yet were unprofound as little than half a year later they did really make a kite that depowered more like a bow.
The marketing bullshit cuts on both sides! and foils definitely aren't superior to Ckites! (although I won't say they are worse)
although u say foils like flysurfer don't catch any water, when a kite gets rinsed by a wave I'd much prefer it to be a Ckite that has some chance of relaunching (eventhough with crossed lines) than it to be a bag full of water that is almost impossible to swim out because all the water in it creates too much drag and the only way out is to go with the current...
A foil simply does not work for these purposes:
-not beginner friendly (not very stable and no one can help u out! you're on your own!)
-unstable wind (tips folding in and bridle catching behind it, shooting rapidly to the edge of the window and past in a gust and it will end up getting teabagged (kite twisted in the middle with the bridle completely around it on one side). offcourse its a lot more sensitive to this when you're not moving aswell as having the bar sheeted out, but if u compare it to a modern Ckite they don't need u to control the kite this much either!!
-waves! (the only chance u have of relaunching is if u crash it inbetween waves and at our beach the interval within the waves near the shore is just too little) u will loose your kite a lot faster here if it gets rolled compared to a CKite
I traded mine in and bought a 9 and 14m waroo with one bar for the same price of the one flysurfer. Where with the flysurfer I could only fly from about 13 to 16knots and could hardly handle it on land past 16knots, I could go out in any conditions ranging from 13 to 30knots in full safety!
Had trouble staying on the board (forget about going upwind!) for about 4months on the speed (lots of dissapointment with the kite ending up in spaghetti, very little sessions because the wind was hardly ideal for learning). Bought the waroos and the first session that I flew em I was going upwind! That same month I was already jumping and having more fun than I ever had!
Never had a problem of not being able to handle the kite on my own anymore that required my dad to stand by, and I could always ask the local boarders for advice or to launch my kite. Whenever I want it to stop or if I fell, the kite would not drag me away from my board and I would rarely have to relaunch it (it was just waiting on its tip and a second later it would be up in the skies if I pulled on the bar). oh and no more wet trunks because of a kite that holds lots of water when its raining or when u have to swim it out of the sea because of light winds!
I now have lots of kiteboarding friends at my local spot.
PS: Stop convincing newbies to join your foil ranks! its safe to have what everyone else has just because of security reasons! for a newbie the advantages to having a foil are minimal if there are any at all (the only that I could think of is fast relaunch, but a bow staying on its side when u let go of the bar that doesn't require relaunch totally outperforms that!)