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Inflatables for dummies

Postby Kolahi » Sun May 18, 2003 6:05 am

I was looking at all the inflatables, and I cannot seem to decide on which one would be best suited, Maybe you guys could help me out, as the search button didn't so much. There are so many companies with different designs, wipika, gaastra, takoon, slingshot, f-one, carabrinha, liquidforce,naish, air rush, and etc. I know you guys will argue about each one's strong points, but which one would you guys say reigns supreme? What i look for in a kite is the following: Build quality/durability and handling(not a fan of the slugs). Ease of use is not really a concern, i don't mind if it takes all my upper body strength to keep the kite in check. The area in which i live in currently has winds that are extremely light, so a huge kite will be a must have, as is a mid range kite(13-14 probably). Keep in mind this is not a kite for a beginner, but rather someone who is intermediate to advanced.
I have been told that the 'strongest' kite build quality wise is the takoon as it has a special matieral which makes it 5 times stronger, but i have been told by others that the f-one's german engineering makes it superior.

Thanks for your help guys.

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Postby Gerard » Sun May 18, 2003 6:17 am

Hi Kolahi,

I agree with your conclusion about F-One kites....they are truly superior kites....they have everything you want in a kite...speed,stabilty,power and durability.

I also like North kites...this company has a long tradition of Sail making and knows what they are doing....I fly the North Toro/Rhino2 and F-one Mach 2....no complaints.

You can get a quote for the North or F-One


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Postby Alf » Sun May 18, 2003 7:07 am

Takoon are in my opinion not the kites with the best build quality, although I have 3 of them and not a problem yet. Best build quality I have seen is SlingShot.

But when you want a really big kite, Takoon is bringing out the Mammoth later this year. And the Takoon kites are _really_ light, which helpes a lot in light winds.

But if you want low-end grunt, you should probably go with a SlingShot 19 or Rhino2 20, or maybe one of those new Gaastra's of 20+ meters...

good luck,
Dènis

P.S. try as much kites as possible in the conditions you usually have. Then make a decision

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Re: Inflatables for dummies

Postby Ozone Kites AUS » Sun May 18, 2003 7:33 am

[quote="Kolahi"]I was looking at all the inflatables, and I cannot seem to decide on which one would be best suited, Maybe you guys could help me out, as the search button didn't so much. There are so many companies with different designs, wipika, gaastra, takoon, slingshot, f-one, carabrinha, liquidforce,naish, air rush, and etc. I know you guys will argue about each one's strong points, but which one would you guys say reigns supreme? What i look for in a kite is the following: Build quality/durability and handling(not a fan of the slugs). Ease of use is not really a concern, i don't mind if it takes all my upper body strength to keep the kite in check. The area in which i live in currently has winds that are extremely light, so a huge kite will be a must have, as is a mid range kite(13-14 probably). Keep in mind this is not a kite for a beginner, but rather someone who is intermediate to advanced.
I have been told that the 'strongest' kite build quality wise is the takoon as it has a special matieral which makes it 5 times stronger, but i have been told by others that the f-one's german engineering makes it superior.

Thanks for your help guys.[/quote]

G'day kolahi

The industry is at a point in time where, it is very competitive, in fact there are probably at least 15-20 manufacturers who will not be here in a few months to years time! The market is crowded with brands, so now is the time when technohypodoublebabble language is at its peak!! :lol:

Takoon is a new player, in the market, less than 2 years. The supply of the Teinjin polyester cloth basically all inflatable kites are made from is in very short supply, hence the strange colour combos you get in some kites, especially some scoops, from my perspective! Mind you they do fly well!

Don't you think if there was a type of material that was really 5 times stronger, with no other negative qualities, that all the other companies would try and switch to that cloth?

All of the brands you mention make excellent kites in 2003, but you forgot a few other Top brands, that fit your criteria, including Flexifoil, North, etc.
If you need a kite bigger than 16.0M then be very careful to amke sure that it is a 2003 design, most earlier monster kites, while they flew, were not really worth the money, a bigger board and a 16.0 are much better fun! Even a strapless mal surfboard works if you are happy to cruise, in super light winds?

Big kites need to be light and very well designed, ones I know work are the North Rhino 2, 18 and 20, Naish X2 18, less so the 20 but still ok if cheap enough, Naish X3, excellent in 18 and 20 sizes, Airush Lift Pro 19.6,
The rest I am not familar with in the large sizes to comment.

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Postby Peter_Frank » Sun May 18, 2003 11:26 am

IMO you can choose whatever kite you like, as long as it is not one of the really cheap new "copycat" brands. The last ones might be okay, but you dont know for sure, and there is no "history" of their success and material wear and quality.

The competition is so hard today, that almost every brand are having the same strong sides - and you wont be dissapointed no matter what you buy.

So as you are new to the sport - you dont need to try a lot of kites (totally waste of time IMO when you are not an experienced expert...)

Just go and get any kite you "feel for" regarding either brand, or colour, or what your friends are using.
You have already said, that you want a medium to high AR kite, so thats solved.
And simply ask your dealer about whether it is a low end grunty kite, or a high end big range kite.
He/She will know - and then you can just choose.

It seems to me like you are almost asking: Which is the best kite ?

The answer to this one is, in 2003: The kite YOU have is the best kite (whatever it is...)

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Postby Johnny TBKS » Sun May 18, 2003 4:06 pm

If build quality is really important to you, you need to seriously consider the Slingshots. Anyone who says all kites are built equal in 2003 obviously has NOT compared them all to the SS. The slings are the best built kites I have seen for 2003.

Mark Cloth-10 times stronger than the canopy materials to control wear and minimize damage. Keeps canopy damaging crashes from reaching struts and leading edge...making a repair from such type of damage cost you 25.00 to fix instead of upwards to a hundred or more dollars to fix. Canopy is attached to leading edge via the Mark Cloth rather than canopy being sewn directly to leading edge like your current brand.
Teijin brand ripstop for the canopy material. I honestly expected to see more kites bearing things such as mark cloth by now because of how much more durable it makes them...but we haven't. The closest thing that comes to mind is North who is now finally going to be using what they are calling Snake Skin(I think is what it's called)...but I didn't notice this on the '03 Norths I had....maybe in '04?

Seams that are not only glued, but taped with Mark Cloth as well. Through r&d, kitemakers are learning what wears, what breaks, what needs reinforced, and what doesn't. You will notice this when you check out which seams are taped and glued on the kite.

Leading edge construction.....each segment is overlapped roughly 2 inches and then sewn on BOTH ends of the overlap, creating a nice and rigid leading edge that can stand up to some serious abuse. Also makes for a very strong leading edge.

Built strong enough for you to pump them as hard as you like. No need to have a kite that feels like it needs a shot of Viagra.

Multiple hookup points to make the kite faster, slower, more bar pressure, less bar pressure, set further back in window, fly nearer to edge of window....upwind machines!

More than just my account of riding the 19m Fuels on the LFT board in winds under 8-9mph can be found on this forum...AND, staying upwind no problem in such conditions. While you can go low with them, the high end range is pretty far out there too. Broad usuable power range.

Super nice bars...made to last you year after year after year after year. Quite possibly the last bar you will have to buy for some time to come!

Super sexy color and graphics. Real head turners. The mark cloth, while being their to seriously add to the build quality and durability, it also looks good on the kite...(IMO). Check out this pic by Rick Iossi...you will see what I mean.....
<img src="http://www.tampabaykitesurf.com/images/ss/SlingArt.jpg">
If we zoom in on the kite in this pic, an '03 Slingy, you can easily see the Mark cloth on the backside of the struts and the reinforced seams as well....
<img src="http://www.tampabaykitesurf.com/images/ ... orning.jpg">

Super nice convertible bags too that have a pocket for your kitebar, and can even accomodate carrying your board for you too.

It's true that when you ask a group of people which is best, most of them will swear by the brand they fly. Some will say that they are all great kites in '03....which is true to a point. Most of them do seem to be good flyers and fast enough turners in '03, but the build quality is for sure no comparison. They all look to be built pretty much the same....and then theirs the Slingshot who seem to be built like NO OTHER kite on the market today.

Have a look if you can. Do your own comparisons. Take a poll. See what you can conclude on you own. The Slingies are not only the best built kite in '03, they also have the performance to go with it.

Johnny

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Postby KiteGlider » Sun May 18, 2003 5:05 pm

Johnny TBKS wrote:...but we haven't. The closest thing that comes to mind is North who is now finally going to be using what they are calling Snake Skin(I think is what it's called)...but I didn't notice this on the '03 Norths I had....maybe in '04?
Hi Johnny,
Thanks for summary of kite materials info. Great stuff.
Been keeping an eye on vectranfiber products for a while now. Looks very promising for LEIs.

Warwick mills produces knife cut resistant cloth for industry safety and whatever else you can think of.
The material I'd like to get my hands on is "Turtle Skin". To start with Turtle Skin bootie soles would help protect from oystershells etc
They also make SnakeArmor boots from TurtleSkin.
Imagine knife and snakebite resistant kite material....... :D

http://www.warwickmills.com/

http://www.warwickmills.com/snake%20and ... armor.html
(page has video of snake striking a balloon protected by Snakearmor.)

http://www.vectranfiber.com/index1.html

KG

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Postby sq225917 » Sun May 18, 2003 9:59 pm

jonny is right the slingshots are by far and away the strongrest and most durable kites out on the market, the f-ones probably have the most range per size and naish have the biggest marketing budget, go figure


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