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naish x2 12, versus wipika amp 14, versus f1 mach 2 12 ???

Postby Guest » Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:59 pm

hello everybody!

Im not an expert kitesurfer but not a beginer as well.
i want to upgrade my gear and im thinking of buying one of the above.
i want to buy a second hand kite.
i usually surf in winds between 14 to 22 knotes.
can anyone recomend or compare between them?
advanteges, disadvanteges?
im less intrested in things like hangtime, and mor in durability, stability,
water relaunch, going upwind, wind range.

maybe other kite?

thanks.

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Postby luketheloony » Sun Aug 17, 2003 10:48 pm

youl have to test these kites out what kind of riding style do you have?
depower?
performence?

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Re: naish x2 12, versus wipika amp 14, versus f1 mach 2 12 ?

Postby PAFF » Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:01 am

orik wrote: im less intrested in things like hangtime, and mor in durability, stability,
water relaunch, going upwind, wind range.

maybe other kite?

thanks.
I will say bye a AeroII-Hydro+ or F-one Dream.

They will fit better... :thumb: :bye:

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Postby -andre- » Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:13 am

or choose a slingshot fuel!

good performance, big windrange, nice relaunch, bombproof quality and very stable in the air!
the kite has everything you ask for! and i heard the 13 is the best in the fuel range!
i only have the 17m²

greets andré :thumb:

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Postby Peter_Frank » Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:32 am

x2 12, versus wipika amp 14, versus f1 mach 2 12 ???

These are very different kites !

The X2 has the smallest sheeting wind range of these 3 kites.

The AMP14 has much more power than the X2 12 and the Mach2 12 - so this is not the size to compare - you should compare with the AMP 11.8m2 (which still has more power than the other 12m2's here).

Durability, I think, is the same.
And upwind ability is great on all of them too.

The Mach 2 12 has the greatest wind range of these 3 kites, I think (but I can not say 100%, as we dont use this kite much here...), and the X2 the smallest.

Water relaunching is not particulary easy with any of above kites, as they are pretty high aspect all of them - at least I wont say than any of them is easier than the other....

Dont go for the X2, unless you get it REALLY cheap, and can live with the smaller range.

Choose the Mach2 12 or AMP 11.8m2 :thumb:

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Postby eutanator » Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:53 am

few days ago I bought SS fuel 13sqm and I'm stocked by this kite!!! It's the best baby I had possibility to drive. Great pull, very good windrange, fantastic lift, awsome upwind. Don't know water relaunchability - just loose it once and restarted in a few moves. Kite don't like big holes in the wind - can fall from the sky... And the durability looks to be one of the best, but in the same time it has a little bit weighty.

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Postby francky » Thu Aug 21, 2003 1:12 am

Hello
Don't play with the 12 mach2 if u are not advance rider ..very powerfull and hard to control when things are not going the way u want to..

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Postby bobob » Thu Aug 21, 2003 1:11 pm

Peter_Frank wrote:The X2 has the smallest sheeting wind range of these 3 kites.
Actually that's not entirely true, the X2 *BAR* has the smallest sheeting range compared to the other bars. Swap it for a Wipika bar and you get loads more depower - which is exactly what I did and now I have massive amounts of sheetability! The stock Naish bar just makes the X2 way too scarey.

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Postby Peter_Frank » Thu Aug 21, 2003 2:11 pm

bobob wrote:
Peter_Frank wrote:The X2 has the smallest sheeting wind range of these 3 kites.
Actually that's not entirely true, the X2 *BAR* has the smallest sheeting range compared to the other bars. Swap it for a Wipika bar and you get loads more depower - which is exactly what I did and now I have massive amounts of sheetability! The stock Naish bar just makes the X2 way too scarey.
Maybe - but I am not talking about the bars sheeting range - but the kites...

If the bar has a sheeting limit, you have to change it of course, to utililize the kite potential fully.

The 12m2 X2 has good range, because it flies well, and can be flown very aggressively in sinus.
But not nearly the same sheeting range as other big-range kites.

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Postby bobob » Thu Aug 21, 2003 2:25 pm

Yeah - someone warned me that if I changed my bar I might not get full sheetability as I expected because of the X2 characteristics but I did nad it helped masses. I used the same bar (2002 Wipika throttle) on a Rhino 16 as well and also got the same amount of depower. Still, I agree the X2 does have less sheetability but changing the bar can help :D


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