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Rebel or Rhino for the waves??

Postby Roel » Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:56 pm

Hi Guys,

I have the Rebel 12/9/7 m2 and really like'm. Also have a 16m Rhino5 for no wind days..

Was thinking of perhaps getting a Rhino7: 10 or 12 m2 as my biggest kite (sell the rebel 12 and rhino5 16). I just don't want to miss out on wave performance in the windrange I use my Rebel 12. It's the kite I use must (85 kgs)

I rode the Rhino10m2 on flat water and it was so unbelievable stable, BUT also powerfull and I don't want to be pulled out of my straps when riding my Amundson surfboard in the waves. I have the feeling that maybe the Rhino 10/12m2 can't beat the smoothness of the Rebel 12 in the waves.

Any users who can/care to comment on this.

Thanks, Roel

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Postby Dwight » Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:06 pm

Yes it is powerful, but also depowers big. Works fine in waves. Only difference I find between 10 R7 and 12m Rebel is on heavy current days in the waves. When the wind gets light and you get in the current, you feel the loss in 2 meters. I prefer the 10m R7 except during these rare conditions.

For me the 10m R7 is a one kite quiver. Although I'll probably add a 14m Rebel later this summer when the wind dies.

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Postby RobMobius » Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:24 pm

Hi Roel.

I haven't ridden the rhino 07 but I have ridden the rebel which is an awesome wave kite.

High aspect kites like the Rhino jump so well because they develop incredible lift when traveling at speed thru the power zone. This power spike that creates incredible lift for jumping works against you when wave riding. As you transition from bottom turn to hitting the lip with the kite sweeping the power zone the power will "spike" as the kite picks up speed. This power spike makes smooth turns very difficult.

Wave kites need to give smooth consistent pull.

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Postby Dwight » Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:27 pm

I would not call the Rhino high aspect.

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Postby Roel » Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:42 pm

Dwight,
Do you use the rhino with a waveboard? if so what windrange.

You encounter no problems with controling power when surfing on/of the wave??

thnx
Roel

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Postby omg » Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:10 pm

Dwight,

how come you don't choose the Rhino14m2 over Rebel14m2? And have you tested the final version of 14m2?

I would have thought the rhino wins when it comes to the low end and also when jumping but does it so?

Feedback appreciated!

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Postby joeyb » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:59 pm

I live in a light wind location and bought the Rebel 16 as my primary kite. I kite 99.9% of the time in the surf.
I demoed the the new Rhino 16.

The Rhino has more low end than the Rebel (more bow'sh low end):
The Rhino has more hang time (bow'sh):

The Rebel turns a lot easier than the Rhino (C'sh), I use one hand on the bar with the Rebel, with the Rhino I often have to use two hands and pull the bar all the way in to make it turn fast enough and its still not fast enough:

If I was mostly kiting in 15mph and up: And! in the surf: I would choose the Rebel, it was designed for this.

Good luck,

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Postby Dwight » Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:29 am

omg wrote:Dwight,

how come you don't choose the Rhino14m2 over Rebel14m2? And have you tested the final version of 14m2?

I would have thought the rhino wins when it comes to the low end and also when jumping but does it so?

Feedback appreciated!
The Rhino wins in performance, but the Rebel wins for light handling in the big sizes. So I choose the Rebel for light wind.

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Postby Dwight » Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:31 am

Roel wrote:Dwight,
Do you use the rhino with a waveboard? if so what windrange.

You encounter no problems with controling power when surfing on/of the wave??

thnx
Roel
Yes a wave board. 13 to 35 knots is my guess.

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Postby mig27 » Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:58 am

Did anyone did test the 12m2 Rhino yet? I only found one review on a German forum. I know they are now for sale in Europe. I have not found a test kite in that size (only 10/9m2)

I also want to replace my old Vegas 16m2 for a Rebel 12m2, or even better a Rhino 12m2 since it has more low-end.

I also ride a waveboard (and a twintip on flat water)


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