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Help PMU is picking on me!

Postby Ted B » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:54 pm

PMU must have PMS...Pmu Is attacking my personal and business emails..This Fool keeps sending me his copy and paste babble that he always replys with. I have not been following kiteforum lately so you guys must pissing this poor little person off..Or our new Flysurfer Pulse 2's are so good ,PMU can not stand it.. I love it.. when I opened his email it had me laughing so hard I could hardly stand it.. By the way it seems he is using the email address anon@anon.com.. Thanks PMU I really needed to laugh!!!! Keep up the great work that you are doing for Flysurfer!!!

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Re: Help PMU is picking on me!

Postby Pump me up » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:17 pm

Ummm. Not sure what you are going on about here Ted or what your problem is....?

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Re: Help PMU is picking on me!

Postby airsurfer » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:46 am

did you tell your teacher :naughty: LOL

please post something useful for flysurfer riders like tips on how to quickly relaunch SA19 or self landing SA19 instead. Thanks

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Re: Help PMU is picking on me!

Postby tungsten222 » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:28 am

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Re: Help PMU is picking on me!

Postby DrLightWind » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:22 pm

SkyScrab wrote:Image
Chiao
Ferdinand
Because PMU met with PSYCHO-4
and just playing with your intelligence.

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Re: Help PMU is picking on me!

Postby Ted B » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:20 pm

I just thought that it was funny that Pmu resorted to emailing me personally. Not trying to go anywhere or start anything. I do not want to start anything negative. I have had a personally real bad start to 2008 and My goal in the future is to be as posative as possible.

Hey Airman I would be happy to help you anyway possible.. Please email (info@flysurfer-usa.com) me with your questions and I will do my best to help you.... Also the guys at foilzone have a bunch of great tips..

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Re: Help PMU is picking on me!

Postby airsurfer » Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:15 pm

Thanks Ted. Will send you an e-mail. :bye:

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Re: Help PMU is picking on me!

Postby fernmanus » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:53 am

Ted,

Thanks for the laugh. I hope you have a terrific 2008.

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Re: Help PMU is picking on me!

Postby CaliKiteGirl » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:53 pm

I am new in this sport. I am a little tiny girl 115 lbs. Most of the time I am on 8.5 m or 7m. Is the flysurfer really good for waves riding? My beach Arroyo Laguna is small and rocky so I am thinking the ram airs could be really cool. Will you or Flysurfer be at XtremeBigAir KiteXPO? I live not too far from Pismo beach - KiteXPO so would love to try out these new ram air kites.

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Re: Help PMU is picking on me!

Postby Pump me up » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:14 pm

Hi calikitegirl... please don't think about using a ram air. Inflatables are vastly superior to ram airs. I've summarised the reasons for their superiority below:

1: Lift to drag ration (L/D)
- The highest L/D ratio is not always optimal. A high L/D ratio is critical in large kites because they move slowly. Large kites generate steady power but generally lose out in ability to turn suddenly and generate sudden upward pull.

- Because large rams have a HUGE "D" coefficient compared to inflatables, they are unable to generate the sudden upward power spikes.

- For this reason, large rams can pull steadily enough, but will ALWAYS lack the jumping ability of a large, quality inflatable.

-Small kites move rapidly and therefore have large power spikes. These kites are INTENTIONALLY designed to move slower by ram and inflatable manufacturers. The lack or presence of a leading edge/ram cells is really irrelevant in the small sizes since SLOWNESS is a virtue in these sizes. The things to look for in these sizes are luff curve, chord, aspect ration for aerodynamic handling.

2: Inertia
- Because large ram airs have a much larger mass of air in them (filling the pockets) their inertia is enormous. It is very difficult moving this mass of air across the sky to generate sudden power spikes and therefore lift. The inertia and slow turning makes a lot of modern moves (eg kiteloops) incredibly difficult, if not impossible. Large ram air kites contain OVER 11kg of air in their cells.

3: Rigidity
- Small inflatables are better than small rams because they have a semi-rigid structure. This improves consistency, stability of turning, and precision in handling. Kite makers are making their kites MORE rigid by joining the struts firmly to the leading edge, adding fifth lines, and bridles.
-Rigidity also facilitates turning. Bar pressure TWISTS the WHOLE kite, speeding up turns. Lack of internal rigidity means that rams can't twist as aerodynamically as inflatos.

4: Wing tips
- Far from being a hindrance, the tips of the inflatable act as rudders, enabling faster, more controlled turns (and therefore larger more controlled power spikes)

5: Foil shape
- Inflatables have a consistent foil shape because they are semi rigid. Rams deform and change their foil shape which causes an inconsistent aerodynamic profile.

6: Luff curve
- Luff curves vary extensively. Inflatables with flat luff curves sit forward in the window whereas inflatables with deeper luff curves sit further back in the window. It is the same principle as sailing: If you want more "bottom" end with a sail, you deepen the luff curve (eg letting out the outhaul on a sailboard). If you want more "high" end, you make the luff curve shallower (eg sheeting in the outhaul on a sailboard). There is a lot of difference amongst kites when it comes to luff curves and it determines a lot of handling characteristics. It's a matter of trying different inflatables until you find one you like.
- Because rams sit further back in the window than equivalent inflatables (due to excessive drag and inertia) there is less room for ram designers to modify the luff curve.

7: Relaunch
- Ram lovers make a big issue of this. It isn't a big issue. Beginners find relaunching inflatables easy after a few sesssions. Yes, some rams can reverse launch, but so what... a lot of inflatables can reverse launch. Rams can launch directly downwind in the water, but so what... so can a lot of inflatables. Anyway, downwind launches are dangerous for beginners because of the risk of being flung or carted downwind. For intermediates and above, relaunching should not even be considered in the equation because a) they won't be dropping the kite much anyway and b) Relaunching inflatables is EASY

8: Safety
- Inflatables are safer than ram airs because
-- Downwind launches are bloody SCARY for a beginner
-- Rams deform, twist, wineglass, explode in the middle of the power zone etc when they are downwind of obstacles, in rotors, and in VERY gusty conditions. This is VERY dangerous. Some of the most frightening kitemares ever witnessed have involved ram users walking along beaches in cross-offshore conditions - their kites have been virtually uncontrollable and have endangered both the rider and other beach users.
-- Wind dropouts and gear failure
--- You will invariably experience a few gear failures (eg broken lines) and COMPLETE wind dropouts every year. If you are a fair way offshore, you can use the inflatable as a "sail" to get back in. Alternatively you can use the inflatable structure to support your weight.
--- All ram airs become hopelessly waterlogged after 45 minutes - unlaunchable and certainly unable to support your body weight.
-- Surf conditions
---While it is always a gamble if your kite gets caught by a wave, at least you've got a fighting chance if it is an inflatable. If it is a ram air, it's all over.
-- Bridle tangles and failures - Scary and expensive (US $500 plus) (eg see the thread titled "Flysurfer Warrior Exploding:" phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=4612" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )

9 Pre-inflating
- Ram users struggle to pre-inflate their kites in a lot of situations eg cross- offshore conditions.
- Without pre-inflation, ram users find it very difficult to drift launch. This skill is often required eg Promontory/headland launches.

10 Resale
- Contrary to the propaganda of ram lovers, ram airs and inflatos have similar lifespans. The major determinant of a kites lifespan is obsolescence - in 2-3 years, whatever you're using now won't be worth much and will have been superseded.

11 Repairs
- Ram air repairs are generally a LOT more expensive. For example, most Flysurfer kites often require a dedicated PARACHUTE repairer to do the job properly (eg bridle failures). The cost for this can be astronomical (thousands of dollars).

12 Competition
Ram lovers can't prove their claims in competitions. Whenever they make some ridiculous claim about how their kites will do well in competitions, they get blown out of the water. For example, they said that various kites from Flysurfer would dominate the pro kitesurfing circuit. It didn't happen. No ram riders made it into the top 50. They said ram airs would dominate the Cabo Verde Wave event... it didn't happen. They said ram airs would dominate the "low-wind" showdown in San Diego - it didn't happen. Rams are aerodynamically inferior - they can't match it with inflatables in comps. The top pro riders ALL prefer inflatables because of their superior aerodynamic properties.

Ignore the ram air propaganda. Ignore the lies. Ram airs are aerodynamically inferior to LEIs and nothing can change this.


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