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Release dosen't work

Postby dazza5172 » Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:11 am

Light wind day

Said to my mates, hey let me test your safety (secretly knew they have never tested them) mate holds the bar, I pull on the loop, pull flappy velcro bit of safety: NO RELEASI - pull on loop like shit - no releasi - and don't look like releasing either. (on both bars)

The safeties are those with velcro with flat hooked metal pin. (won't mention brands to stay out of trouble)

Message, regular forumers are probably bored with this but:

Test your safety under load - if you havent - what are you doing???

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Re: Release dosen't work

Postby fokiten » Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:07 am

dazza5172 wrote:Light wind day

Said to my mates, hey let me test your safety (secretly knew they have never tested them) mate holds the bar, I pull on the loop, pull flappy velcro bit of safety: NO RELEASI - pull on loop like shit - no releasi - and don't look like releasing either. (on both bars)

The safeties are those with velcro with flat hooked metal pin. (won't mention brands to stay out of trouble)

Message, regular forumers are probably bored with this but:

Test your safety under load - if you havent - what are you doing???

Dazza
Sounds like that tragic death in Spain was on a Masterpiece bar,,,,?

Top rated for safety in that mag article.

I've always thought your pretty much fucked no matter what you test or grab for,,,,A second is just not enough time to do anything.

Hey,,,we all know this already,,

I'd like to see a bit more honesty about the> risk

instead of all this> The risk is manageable Bull Shit.

Just my opinion

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Re: Release dosen't work

Postby high123 » Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:03 am

dazza5172 wrote:The safeties are those with velcro with flat hooked metal pin. (won't mention brands to stay out of trouble)
Please do mention the brand. It's about safety. It's important.

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Postby Toby » Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:39 am

whatever brand, even with the Wichard.
We are still humans and need the time to react and realize the situation.

But it is a big difference of not working and not being able to.

Porsch has the great Turbo breaks. But waht does it help if you drive 300km/h on a wet street at night?

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Postby onthebeachallday » Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:12 am

that's why i like the idea of the ocean rodeo punch out system, your hands are already on the bar, just push it away and you're released, no finding a release pull-ring etc, haven't recieved it and tested it yet though..

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Postby ROLAVI » Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:02 pm

I don't get why you guys don't get it.

Take all but the hottest riders and try and a back roll with kite loop in very powered conditions. Now in the middle of your rotation try and activate your fancey saftey system. So when you get piled driven down wind a line lenght at mach5 try to picture a stone jetty or pilings in your way. Get the picture.

There is no solution to the issue. Saftey systems and padding are recommended, but they are so far from a solution.

Big kite, big wind and hard objects around you. Be aware, be very aware.

Get the picture!

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Postby onthebeachallday » Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:06 pm

ROLAVI wrote:I don't get why you guys don't get it.

Take all but the hottest riders and try and a back roll with kite loop in very powered conditions. Now in the middle of your rotation try and activate your fancey saftey system. So when you get piled driven down wind a line lenght at mach5 try to picture a stone jetty or pilings in your way. Get the picture.

There is no solution to the issue. Saftey systems and padding are recommended, but they are so far from a solution.

Big kite, big wind and hard objects around you. Be aware, be very aware.

Get the picture!
the point is more don't try that move 30 metres from a stone jetty more than the poor practical applications of release systems, a good point in general i guess, don't kite within 3 lines lengths of something solid, at my beach i have that luxury, at many i'm sure people don't.

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Postby RickI » Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:10 pm

Something that Paul Menta mentioned in an instructor clinic recently makes good sense. It isn't the same as loading your bar up to 400 kg. but it is better than doing nothing.

Simply step on the bar, pull up on the chicken loop HARD and activate the quick release.

It may or may not release or may release with difficulty.

It takes seconds, it would be a good idea to do this periodically.

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Postby Toby » Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:19 pm

onthebeachallday and ROLAVI

that is the famous nail on the head!

with Fo words: shit as brains.

So true.


Punch out or not: just talked to Toddo, and some years ago he had a situation, that explains it: he had the bar in his hadns, not hooked anywhere. The a gust hit his kite (he as on the beach) and he flew 3m high and 20m long. All he needed to do was letting go of the bar, he didn't....after he hit hard, due to pain he let go of the bar. Once you are flying no need for a safety anymore. You have to be safe before and understand and know to release before you fly, that is the key!

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Postby Tom183 » Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:38 pm

I have the same opinion on this as I do on relaunching: life is a whole lot easier if you keep yourself out of those situations.


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