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launching unhooked?

Postby 98089 » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:09 pm

I've tried launching unhooked in heavy winds before. But with my line set up, the chicken loop and leading edge lines would slam forward and I end up fully sheeting the kite. Obviously not the safest or most in control way to fly. Any tips?

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Postby chargerXX » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:22 pm

You need to have a good and easily accessable trim strap and then you need to adjust it so that at normal hooked in power, you have plenty of room to crank that strap in. Before you launch or land, pull the strap in a few good inches, then unhook at will. Also, you may have one of those mini chickenloops which I hate. If you do, put a few spacers above the loop. this will make unhooking lots easier, it will also take away the bad habit of oversheeting when underpowered instead of steering the kite. Hope this helps! :thumb:

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Postby Klaus (c:E » Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:30 am

Hai,

i prefer launching with a good kite control. Hooked in You can perfectly balance the Kite (with a good start assistant) by powering up or depowering. Powering up a little bit more after the assistant let go will make Your kite go a little bit backwards, depowering will make it go a little bit foreward.
To me, launching unhooked only makes sense with two liners.

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Postby fokiten » Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:23 am

Klaus (c:E wrote:Hai,

i prefer launching with a good kite control. Hooked in You can perfectly balance the Kite (with a good start assistant) by powering up or depowering. Powering up a little bit more after the assistant let go will make Your kite go a little bit backwards, depowering will make it go a little bit foreward.
To me, launching unhooked only makes sense with two liners.
What he said :thumb:

check out that delta/porn kite video, how bout that 200 ft. lofting?

Both were unhooked, consider the reason they hung on?

Now tell me how easy it is to manage that risk, most can't even manage to let go, yeah,

you be thinking> I'll just let go,

yeah,

your thinking alright, and giving up your trim control?

I'm thinking,,ah,,,well,,hmm, yeah

we're deffinetly talking bout a case of> shit fo brains here
fokiten

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Postby DrLightWind » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:02 am

Maybe a NAISH UDS SYSTEM would be desirable in your case since this system has 200 percent depower range.

Link for UDS users "Question for UDS users - bad habits"
phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2308525

Or use a bar with a longer trim strap so you could be in the chicken loop and not doing any superman.

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Postby consumer » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:14 am

i really dont think uds would save you from being lofted in an insane gust ala pornkite video, surface area is surface area after all.

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Postby FredMurphy » Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:40 am

I'm trying out launching unhooked. You do have less control but it does cover those times when something's seriously wrong. A definite for self-launches. I do double-check my lines for knots, twists, etc. but a lot of really serious accidents seem to be the launches when you just don't have time to pull the safety.

The answer... Cabrinha's Recon 2 (when it comes out in December). Full sheeting control and just drop the bar to kill the kite.

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Postby Tom183 » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:08 pm

I wouldn't say hooking in gives you more control, it just gives you more depower - if your kite is oversheeted (common problem...), then hooking in may be the only way to get your kite airborne. (I personally would rather have a properly tuned kite...) Also, launching hooked-in may be your only option if you have one of those tiny c-loops that permanently welds you to the spreader bar...

You're still the one in control when flying unhooked, but it is a different feel and may take some practice to get used to. Crank the depower strap all the way in before you even connect the lines, and double-check again before launch. If after launch you're getting dragged big-time, you know you need to switch to a smaller kite.

I've had the Contra 19.5 up in 18mph winds (gusting to 20mph), launched unhooked and got slowly dragged until the kite was about 1/2-way up - and for me, that was enough power that I didn't need to adjust the depower strap at all (kept it all the way in). If you can handle the power unhooked, you know you can hook in and have a margin of safety. On the other hand, if you're maxed out with the bar pushed out all the way, you're screwed if the wind picks up or an unexpected gust comes along.

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Postby chargerXX » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:16 pm

No need to rant, launching unhooked is definitely better in some launching cases....in my opinion, you can disagree but he's not wrong for doing it, and I am tired of "kiters" who are so afraid to unhook from their damn shackle/chicken loop and can't control a kite unless they are "perfectly sheeted". You should practice guys! It could save you in time of need. And I agree....all have shit for brains from time to time!

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Postby fokiten » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:49 pm

chargerXX wrote:No need to rant, launching unhooked is definitely better in some launching cases....in my opinion, you can disagree but he's not wrong for doing it, and I am tired of "kiters" who are so afraid to unhook from their damn shackle/chicken loop and can't control a kite unless they are "perfectly sheeted". You should practice guys! It could save you in time of need. And I agree....all have shit for brains from time to time!
Which launching cases?


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