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Who is riding boards with three fins?

Postby kiters_se » Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:34 pm



or why don´t just use two fins, one back and one in the middle?

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Re: Who is riding boards with three finns?

Postby ronnie » Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:43 pm

I think the front fin would destroy the flow onto the back fin.

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Re: Who is riding boards with three fins?

Postby Gebi » Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:18 pm

This particular board was sailed by Sky Solback at the Race Worlds in Corpus and won the first race of the regatta. Also Chip (finished 10th) and I (finished 11th) rode tri's but we were not as tuned up as we could have been on our fin sizes and positions.

I think the tri might be the future of race boards, as Bruno said when he sailed it against his latest Alex board it would win the line ups easily....but I can tell you from experience; to find the balance in this design, the fin tuning is more critical. Everything has to be well balanced, the rake, fin position for and aft, the size and power of the fin regarding proper flex and the thickness ( lift of the foil) and the position from the rail. Also finding the right strap position takes a bit more tuning, but when the board is dialed watch out! The think litterally flies up wind and is so much easier to ride down wind as the board can be carved and turned like a surf board which a 4 fin board does not do.

I called Rista from the Worlds and he gave me some tuning ideas about the tri set that i applied overnight to my board and I think i had my board going pretty good by the time we were ready to race on the last day. Too bad the wind did not cooperate....

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Re: Who is riding boards with three fins?

Postby TheRussian » Tue May 04, 2010 1:46 pm

Having done a back-to-back comparison, a tri set up is so much nicer, far easier to use, more comfortable, you can actually gybe. Four fins feels extremely locked in and there seems (for me anyway) less ability to trim the board with weight placement.

In summary, couldn't agree more with the comments in the video - 3 fins feels far more dynamic

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Re: Who is riding boards with three fins?

Postby pouch » Fri May 07, 2010 12:20 pm

TheRussian wrote:Having done a back-to-back comparison, a tri set up is so much nicer, far easier to use, more comfortable, you can actually gybe. Four fins feels extremely locked in and there seems (for me anyway) less ability to trim the board with weight placement.

In summary, couldn't agree more with the comments in the video - 3 fins feels far more dynamic



what was your fin size ?
did you use a windsurf fin as a back fin ?

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Re: Who is riding boards with three fins?

Postby ronnie » Fri May 07, 2010 2:24 pm

Aguera on tri's and quads


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Re: Who is riding boards with three fins?

Postby Gebi » Fri May 07, 2010 2:58 pm

Ok, at the Worlds the guys on Tri-fin boards were:

Sky Solback- who won the first race of the series on a tri-fin Rista board.

Word on the street is that Paolo's board is the fastest, but it takes some getting used to to get the full potential out of it. It seems that this is the board that Rista is showing in the first video. Now Ski never changed a thing and rode the board with the set up Paolo reccommended. If Sky had the time to try some different fin set ups, I am sure he could have gotten more out of the board. I did see Sky out point Damo on an upwind leg, in one super light air race, (Damo weighs 150 and Sky is pushing 200 pounds), so I know the tri has the potential to rock when you get it working.

Gebi- I rode a tri (5 fin Mike's Lab) and used a different fin combo almost every race as I was trying to find the fin balance. As the wind got lighter it seemed I did better, as I started to get my fins figured out. My best race was a 4th, but i took a 17 Zephyr that race and the wind died, so i made a good choice on the kite size.

Alex Aguera- rode his production board with a tri on the first day which was powered 9 and 7 meter conditions and then switched to the quad when it got lighter.

Chip Wasson- Mikes Lab, 5 fin but rode it as a tri the whole regatta. At times Chip was smoking on Starboard tack upwind, but on port could not hold his angle. (Back to finding the fin size and location balance) Chip rode something like 15 to 16 inch front fins and a 10 inch fin in the back.

KC Cambell- Mikes Lab, 5 fin but rode it as a tri the whole regatta. KC had a similar size fins to chip but slightly different location in the fore and aft position.

I received my new board about a week before the event started and since I was waiting for my new fins from Curtis; experimented with custom fins I made and some extras I borrowed from friends, (thanks Kent!) It was super windy and choppier than when we raced the worlds when I was training, so getting downwind with out crashing in the super nasty chop was a bitch on a lit 9 meter.

I was struggling to find the balance with my limited fin quiver (riding my board as a quad) and then I tried the board as a 3 fin. Instantly the board was much easier to ride. I was riding a 13.75 windsurf pointer fin in the back and some 10 inch in the front, and that set up was pretty friendly, especially downwind as you could actually steer the board like a surf board. As a tri the board can be carved rail to rail and as a quad you have to be super careful not to catch a rail while steering the board around.

The tri is much looser making these modern, powerful and stiff riding raceboards much easier to steer. Tacking and jibing is much more relaxed, but the fin set up is much more critical to tuning. Since the tri set up is inherently looser, you have to spend more time to find the balance of fin size, location, angle of cant (angle find are tipped out, usually somewhere from 4 to 10 degrees depending on your taste) , and more importantly the position of the fins in the fore and aft positions. Once you find the balance the board will do things a quad will not do. it takes some serious tuning, but at times you will find the balance in the whole package and learn how to ride these wild horses.

Hope this sheds some light.... without giving up all of the secrets...

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Re: Who is riding boards with three fins?

Postby prayfawind27 » Fri May 07, 2010 4:03 pm

but you're so limited on where you can ride with such long fins, isn't that the beauty about kitebaording that we can ride in water levels where no other water sport can go, why jail yourself with those fins, is it that big of a differences?

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Re: Who is riding boards with three fins?

Postby stefaans » Fri May 07, 2010 4:39 pm

dude you are COMPLETELY missing the point. What kind of a question is that.

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Re: Who is riding boards with three fins?

Postby TheRussian » Tue May 25, 2010 10:28 pm

Re fin sizes, haven't measured them, but they are big - custom TFC fins

The fins are on US slot boxes and the more I move the fins back, the faster the board gets, I haven't yet moved them far enough back to compromise upwind performance.

Overall, x3 fins are a much nicer set up, as you can really trim to get more performance/speed. That said, the x4 fin board has more volume in the tail and cranks upwind far more, but that is really all it does.


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