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2008 Eclipse Owners. Reading This Could Save A Swim In

Postby RipItUp » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:30 pm

Hi Guys

I have a new quiver of 2008 Eclipse Thrusters, but this applies to all Eclipse and other brands with One-Pump systems that use a connecting tube with plastic union and wire ties to keep everything secure. I pumped up my new Thruster for the first time and was just about to plug off the LE when Psssssssssssssssst..... the air came out just like I had pulled the deflation valve. After inspecting the kite I found that someone in China did not install the plastic barbed union correctly (half should be in the nipple and half should be in the tubing) and also the wire ties were installed wrong. Chris and Dimitri, you guys should get with the factory on this right away. Below is a series of photos I took to document the problem. Keep in mind that if one of these connections comes loose like mine did from the LE nipple, your whole LE will go flat in a matter of seconds which could mean a long swim in. At the very least inspect all the connections and tug on them a little to see if they are secure. One of my kites had several connections that were bad, and another kite only had one that was wrong.


In this first picture it looks harmless enough, but if you look closely you will see that the barbed union is not inserted very far into the nipple.
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In this picture you can see that the wire tie is right at the end of where the plastic barbed union is through the nipple. It basically is not holding the union at all because it is at the end of the union where it tapers down. If you look closely you will see that the only barb inside the nipple is very close to the edge of the nipple and because the union is not inserted far enough into the nipple the wire tie is on the wrong side of the barb and unable to hold it in place.
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In this photo you can see the full size of the plastic union. It should be inserted halfway into the tubing and halfway into the nipple so that all three barbs of each half are inside the tubing and the nipple.
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In this photo you can see that the union from the factory was stuck way too far into the tubing which leaves only one barb sticking into the nipple.
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This photo shows how the union was inside the nipple from the factory with the wire tie attached. The union is clearly not inserted far enough into the nipple to hold.
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If you do have to remove the wire ties BE VERY CAREFUL not to cut the nipple or tubing. In this photo you can see the proper way to position a small clipper to remove the wire tie without cutting the nipple. Make sure you are only cutting the wire tie or you will need to buy a new bladder or tubing.
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Here is a different connection on the same kite. In this one the union is installed almost correctly, but the wire tie is installed way too low on the nipple to hold the union in place.
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This photo shows the same connection with me having been able to just pull the connection apart without removing the wire tie. You can also see that I positioned the union outside of the nipple to show that the wire tie was not really holding it at all.
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These two photos show how the union should be positioned with half in the tubing and half in the nipple.

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Re: 2008 Eclipse Owners. Reading This Could Save A Swim In

Postby RipItUp » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:37 pm

If you look closely you will see three black lines through the nipple with the union positioned correctly. These are the contact points for the barbs of the union. You want to position the wire ties inbetween these black lines to hold the union securely in place.
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In the next series of photos you will see that I used four wire ties instead of two, and the wire ties are positioned correctly to hold the union in place.
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The last thing I do is take some emery cloth (sand paper made for metal) and carefully sand off the rough cut areas of the wire ties that are left when you cut the end of the wire tie off.

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Re: 2008 Eclipse Owners. Reading This Could Save A Swim In

Postby HJ11 » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:17 am

Thx for this imformation. You did a great job with all these pictures :thumb:
I will check my 10m2 and 14m2 Thrusters tomorow :bye:

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Re: 2008 Eclipse Owners. Reading This Could Save A Swim In

Postby eastcoastkite » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:20 am

Hello guys,

Thanks for pointing this out. We already know about this and its only effected about 3 guys that I have heard about- but we have notified the factory and they will correct the problem in the future. Now if your unsure about the zip ties check them out and follow ripitups advice.

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Re: 2008 Eclipse Owners. Reading This Could Save A Swim In

Postby JChau » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:34 am

i had similar problems, and i did similar job as "ripitup" plus further reinforce it with ELECTRICAL TAPE (in figure of 8 fashion) trying to cover up the cut end and approximate all the connection...

Though there're heaps of comments on the GK's bar, I reckon they did a v gd job/design in their one-pump system!!!

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Re: 2008 Eclipse Owners. Reading This Could Save A Swim In

Postby dfunk » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:57 am

Anyone know if the Nano's were affected as well?

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Re: 2008 Eclipse Owners. Reading This Could Save A Swim In

Postby RipItUp » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:35 am

I don't know, but if I were you I would check all the connections anyhow. It only takes a short amount of time to check each connection and it could save a lost session or a swim in. This is not only for Eclipse, but for all brands that use these type of connections. I had the same thing happen before with another brand.

I suspect that the problem happens when someone gets trained to do this job at these factories for the first time. If people don't understand what they are trying to accomplish by inserting the union and attaching the wire ties, then they can screw up like this because all they knew was they were suppose to install one wire tie on each side of the connection. Same can hold true for inserting the union. If they don't comprehend that three barbs have to go into the nipple and the tubing, then as far as they know they completed the job because they installed the union.

I would encourage manufacturers to get unions made with a halfway point tab or ridge, so that the factory worker can just push the union in until it stops on both sides of the connection. It would take the guess work out of that one. I would also suggest using two wire ties per side (total of 4 wire ties per connection) like I did just to have that level of redundancy. It might take one minute more per connection (five minutes per kite) to use a total of four wire ties instead of just two. Well worth the time spent.

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Re: 2008 Eclipse Owners. Reading This Could Save A Swim In

Postby eldadgold » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:27 am

when i buy a new kite i don't want it to come with wire ties.

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Re: 2008 Eclipse Owners. Reading This Could Save A Swim In

Postby RipItUp » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:44 am

when i buy a new kite i don't want it to come with wire ties.


Well the nice thing about Eclipse is that you have that choice. If you notice in the pictures you will see a regular nipple plug attached to each nipple in the One-Pump system, so if you don't want a One-Pump system on your kite simply remove the connections and plug off all the LE nipples with the supplied plugs. Viola, no more One-Pump. Pretty great idea to satisfy people on both sides of that fence. Personally I love the One-Pump.

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Re: 2008 Eclipse Owners. Reading This Could Save A Swim In

Postby RipItUp » Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:00 am

had similar problems, and i did similar job as "ripitup" plus further reinforce it with ELECTRICAL TAPE (in figure of 8 fashion) trying to cover up the cut end and approximate all the connection...


I have to say I would not recommend using electrical tape, or any other tape for that matter. Over time the heat from the sun will melt the glue on the tape into a very gooey mess. Combine that with salt water and the tape doesn't stand a chance. Shrink-wrap could work but I see no need to go that far. The neoprene cover does a good job at protecting the kite from the wire ties.


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