Flysurfer Speed3 19m for US$650! Not! Beware of Cons!

[kmagill]

Hi all,
We all like a good deal, don't we? hows a new Speed3 19m for $650 delivered to your address sound???? ... it sounds too good to be true.
Below is my email conversion that i thought I was having with a kite supplier in Indonesia. I initially made contact with this guy through www.alibaba.com ; http://www.alibaba.com/member/id111463804.html
Turns out it was all a con.
For awhile I was excited that I'd be getting a new 19m flysurfer for a quarter of its regulary price ! I'd justified this price in my head thinking the guy was sneaking it out the backdoor of the factory.

But then red flags started going up throughout me email dialog with Joko. eventually I knew it was all a con when the 'supplier' gave me a price for a size of kite that doesn't exist. bastard.

I figured this out just in time.... so never sent any money. few. Just thought I'd post this here to put out a warning to the community.

I've re-ordered and slightly edit these emails for better reading. feel free to send hate mail to Joko: mantapsu@ymail.com

stay safe!
K.







Dear Mr Sir,

Thank you very much for you mail to us.

This is information our offer kites product for you :

Price for New!Kitesurfing Kites 2010 Flysurfer Speed 3 - 15 metre USD 450.00 Include shipping cost and tax to your address.

The kites come complete with include bar , lines , standard spares and bag.

Minimum order : 5 Kites.
Shipping terms : DHL EXPRESS.
Delivery time : 4 - 10 business days.
Method Payment : Western Union and Wire Transfer (T/T).

More information please contact us to our mail : mantapsu@ymail.com

Hope you can join longeterm business partner with us in future.

Looking forward from you as soon.

Best regards,

Joko


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Dear Joko
I am interested in placing an order for 5 units. please answer questions in previous email.
I will try calling you today to speed up this process.

thanks
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Hello...

This is complete size of Flysurfer Speed 3 2010 :
- Flysurfer Speed 3 (III) Standard:
12m Green : USD 350.00
15m Blue : USD 450.00
19m Red : USD 650.00


Ok , no problem if you want comination your order for 5 units.

The kites come to you new wtih bar and lines.

Please tell us about size you want order ?

Looking forward to do start first food business with you as soon.

Please call me to phone number : +628121 552 7 525

Regards,

Joko

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hi joko,
nice to talk with you.
Can you send me pictures of each size kite, 12m , 15m and 19m
also can i have sample price for 12m 15m and 19m inc tax & dhl delivery.
I look forwards to-do business with you

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Dear Kareem Magill,

Please look pictures of size kite, 12m , 15m and 19m at attach file.
--(!these attatched pictures were stock-internet pictures of flysurfers in the air!)-------

The price complete with include shipping cost by DHL and tax to your address.

If you ready to make your first purchase order please sent us your complete address for receipt the shipment also choose method payment for transaction by Western union or Wire Transfer (T/T).

Looking forward to do start first good business with you as soon.

Regards,

Joko

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Hello...

Thanks for you quick answer.

Price for one piece Flyfuster 19m USD 650.00 Include shipping cost and tax to your address.

Looking forward to do start first good business with you as soon.

Regards,

Joko

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Hello...

Thanks for you quick answer.

Ok , for good make first business with us we accept your first order :

- 1 x Flyfuster Speed 3 19m USD 650.00 ( include shipping cost and tax to your address.

This is detail of Western Union for transaction your order :

Receipt Name : Joko Sudjipto
Address : Jl.S.Parman No.23
City    : Jakarta Pusat 10116
Country : Indonesia


This is Detail Of Bank Transfer for transaction :

Bank Name : Bank Negara Indonesia (BNI)
Account Name : DEWI FARIDA BR PURBA
Account Number/IBAN : 013-207-371-7
Swift Code : BNINIDJA
Branch : BNI MEDAN
Country : Indonesia

If you do transfer by Western Union please sent us scan proof payment #MTCN number also Sender Detail , we will process your order to your address you give us and give you trucking number of the shipment for you check online the delivery any time.

Hope get confrimation from you immadietly to do start first good business.

Thanks

Joko

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Joko,
Can you please send me a photograph of the actual kite that you will send me, not an Internet picture.
I would like to see this photograph before I TT us$650 to your account.
Thank you

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hello...

For this size not available in actual Photo cause this item in box and can not open until the buyer can give us proof to order.

If you want for sample photo we only on 15m in color Blue.

Looking forward to do start good business with you.

Regards,

Joko


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joko
please can you send me photo of the product you will be sending. thanks.


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Hello sir...

Thanks for you back answer.

We that sent you foto of the kites , we don't understand you want photo of the kittes.
We only can sent you photo of the kites at we sent you in last mail.
If you serious to make your first purchase order please not make difficult this first business will be ready.

Looking forward to do start first good business with you asap.

Regards,
joko

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Joko
Do you have the new 23.5m kite available as well? what color is it?
can i have cost for it please.
thanks


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Hello...

Thanks for you quick mail. The color is black.

Price for 23.5m USD 750.00 include shipping cost and tax to your address.

Looking forward to do start first good business with you as soon.

Regards,

Joko

[Toby]

thx for the warning!

If the price is too good to be true, it can only be a scam!

And smart one asking for a 23.5 !

[alexrider]

Hi all,
We all like a good deal, don't we? hows a new Speed3 19m for $650 delivered to your address sound???? ... it sounds too good to be true.
Below is my email conversation ....
........
stay safe!
K.

I've just SMSed and emailed the guy "FBI AND INTERPOL HAVE BEEN TRACKING YOU AND WILL PROCEED TO YOUR IMMINENT ARREST". In the meanwhile his email appears to have been blocked already..., but SMSed me back however: "SORRY, WHAT'S MY PROBLEM TO YOU, SIR",

I had a similar "conversation" last year with probably the same individual, but with a difference; I knew all along it was a fraud (it's a well known fact in the area). The best way to fight these petty criminals is to submerge them with emails from imaginary customers.
Since I had some time at hand (no wind then), I wanted to have some fun at the guy's. This is the script (timeline upward):

27/02/2009
Me:
My money is also secret then. You are a fool.

What you are about to understand:
Interpol and Indonesian police have been collaborating to conduct a comprehensive  enquiry about your fraudulent activities and by now have all the evidence necessary to proceed to your imminent arrest.

Interpol.

Reply from: aliong singh [mailto:aihodoboruku@gmail.com]
Sent: 27 February 2009 02:26
To: AR
Subject: Re: Inquiry NEO KITE

Sorry..
This is your request is secret...
Please understand
Regards.
Aliong

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26/02/2009
Me:
I ask you: what is the name of your company? Can you give me some references of your customers?
I’m not sending money without a minimum of confidence.
Alex

Reply from: aliong singh [mailto:aihodoboruku@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 February 2009 11:29
To: AR
Subject: Re: Inquiry NEO KITE

Hello sir...
OK...
You could pay for 2 kite US$670 included shipping cost via WESTERN UNION.

For you buy :
- 2009 HQ Neo 14.0M Depowerable Power/Kitesurfing Kite US$340 included shipping cost.
- 2009 HQ Neo 11.0M Depowerable Power/ Kitesurfing Kite US$330 included shipping cost.
Please send your complete shipping address and phone number for ship
Here i send you our details manager payment via Western Union
Receiver First Name : PAUL
Receiver Last Name : LOUIS
Receiver Address : Jl. Brigjend Katamso Gg. Pancasila No. 39
Receiver City : Medan
Country : INDONESIA
After you make the payment please send MTCN number so we can process as soon as possible
Waiting your confirm payment as soon as possible
If you make the payment today, i will give you Tracking Number from FedEx and Invoice today also and you can received on Monday.
I waiting your confirm payment.
Regards,
Aliong
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26/02/2009
Me:
I confirm I want to buy 2 kites. Please let me know who I am buying from (credentials) and how to transfer money.
Cheers
Alex

Reply from: aliong singh [mailto:aihodoboruku@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 February 2009 02:57
To: AR
Subject: Re: Inquiry NEO KITE

Distributor is supplier

I waiting your confirm
Best regards

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26/02/2009

Me:
Distributor of what? Of wind?

Reply from: aliong singh [mailto:aihodoboruku@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 February 2009 00:27
To: AR
Subject: Re: Inquiry NEO KITE

My company is distributor

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25/02/2009
Me:
What and where is your company then? Website?
Cheers
Alex

Reply from: aliong singh [mailto:aihodoboruku@gmail.com]
Sent: 25 February 2009 18:49
To: AR
Subject: Re: Inquiry NEO KITE

Sorry sir..

My company agree for payment via western Union or bank transfer

Regards

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25/02/2009
Me:
Hello,
I did not say I was going to do a payment by Western Union.
Where are you established? If it is a place I often go to, I can pay cash as I pick the goods. Otherewise an irrevocable letter of credit will do.
Do you have a website?
Thanks
Alexandre

From: aliong singh [mailto:aihodoboruku@gmail.com]
Sent: 24 February 2009 15:58
To: AR
Subject: Re: Inquiry NEO KITE

Hello sir...

OK...
I will send you our company referance, but let me know when will you make the payment via western union ???
If you agree, please send your complete shipping address and phone number,

Thanks
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24/09/2009

Me:
I’d like 2009 HQ Neo 14 and HQ Neo 11.
I’d like references from your company, in order to transfer cash,
Thank you
AR

Reply from: aliong singh [mailto:aihodoboruku@gmail.com]
Sent: 23 February 2009 15:50
To: QR
Subject: Re : Inquiry NEO KITE

Dear Mr Alexandre...

Thanks for your inquiry,
Best price for 2009 HQ Neo 14.0M Depowerable Power/Kitesurfing Kite US$340 included shipping cost.
Best price for 2009 2009 HQ Neo 6.0M Depowerable Power/ Kitesurfing Kite US$250 included shipping cost.
Best price for 2009 HQ Neo 8.0M Depowerable Power/ Kitesurfing Kite US$260 included shipping cost.
Best price for 2009 HQ Neo 11.0M Depowerable Power/ Kitesurfing Kite US$330 included shipping cost.

All price included shipping cost to Bangkok
Payment method : Western Union or Money Gram
Delivery time : 3-4 days via FedEx and DHL
How model you want to buy sir?
I waiting your confirm as soon as possible
Please cantact me via email : aihodoboruku@gmail.com

Regards,
Aliong

[Dave_5280]

I also contacted an Alibaba seller once and decided they were probably a scam.

A Google search using "Alibaba scam" returns 267,000 results.

Here's one of them: http://www.alibabascam.com/index.php

[kitesurfbali]

Hello to everyone...
Warnings have been given already many times!
Still there are people that buy and loose money due to this scam...

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2352664&start=0&hilit=scam

Now even be more careful as the scammers are starting to make full WEB site to back up their Bullshit.... See here!!!

http://www.balikitestore.wordpress.com

Cabrinha has the following statement in their web site:

Please Note: Only purchase Cabrinha Kites from authorized dealers as listed
in our website. Be advised that Cabrinha products sold on the Alibaba
website, mainly from Indonesia, are NOT Cabrinha authorized dealers.

Bye Jankie

[FredBGG]

Hi all,
For awhile I was excited that I'd be getting a new 19m flysurfer for a quarter of its regulary price ! I'd justified this price in my head thinking the guy was sneaking it out the backdoor of the factory.

So you knowingly negotiated buying stolen property, but backed.....

Not a good idea to post on a public forum that you were considering buying stolen property.

Bad karma and illegal to buy stolen property.