y3434 wrote:i own the chrono 12 and 15 m2 and it seems to me that the 15 m2 is the better choice in ultra lightwind; it flys nearly in the same conditions, the 15 m2 is amazingly fast even with 35 m lines and 65 cm bar (500 cm2 frontwing 9 mm profile 82 kg; 142 clm 48cm wide board) i prefer it clearly to the 12 m 2 and it gives very high lift and hanging times , and you can downloop it after jumping
Yes, I would think so.
I use around 600cm2 wing.
Compared your weight and wing area are 27% more powerdemanding (at first obviosly not linear).
But the smaller or faster (flatter) wings requires more pull than the bigger ones, and I also use a size bigger kite for these.
So it seems you find the 15 to be the best choice for you to be able to start in ultra marginal winds ?
Or did you just say that you preferred the 15 because of more power and hangtime ?.
For me it might be an 11-13m2 then, but I dont know.
As the main problem is the waterstart, and the second challenge is to get foiling.
The waterstart itself requires some size and "diesel" pull, which is awesome with the big ones when looped around - they have a long solid pull here, and you can most often get up AND up foiling in one and the same move/loop
Still, as you also write, a smaller kite CAN stay up easier in these conditions, no doubt.
Might be a small difference yes, but if it is there, and you have sufficient power for the start - it will be a choice that might lower your personal "low wind record"
I think, that for me the best size (with these kind of kites) is between a 12 and 15 somewhere, and maybe a 12 would be better.
But I only have a 15 so dont know.
Besides, you can only find out IF you have smooth stable marginal wind, and ride both neck and neck changing, and you are sure the conditions dont change while you change kites.
With new kites and non-foilboards earlier, on say freeraceboards or waveboards, this could take half a year or a year, till you finally knew, as you not only needed the perfect days, but you also needed to get to know these new kites in every situation.
So discussing here what personal experiences we have on this very topic, is an awesome way to share
Notice, I am not talking about which size is the best for riding or for vmg og jumping.
I am only talking about which size will be the one you can set your personal low end record with, as riding is easy peasy - it is handling and starting which is the issue solely IMO.
Long post, sorry
The difficulty is obviosly getting out - I had almost straight onshore the last time, and when you keep it close to 12 in this wind, board dragging upwind is not possible anymore.
Used a shorter mast, and walked out, swam a little upwind kite at 12 - and got up in one downloop sweep so I could ride over the sand bars and out.
Later, when out, the wind went a little down - but deep so here I could truly explore my personal low end limit regarding starting/foiling.
Carving is difficult, as the kite loses lift when you carve around with the wind - and if downlooping on 25m lines, it will turn slow when you are in the middle of the turn straight downwind, and maybe not recoverable from down there in this wind - so I found the "up" turn to be better for this, as when closer to 12 the kite can still pull and you got tight lines, and more wind.
Longer lines is the solution of course, as then you can downloop and avoid it getting low, and use the weight of the kite to an advantage.
This is what I do sometimes too, but not yesterday, as many practical advantages with shorter lines.
PS: It is not that important, but interesting to see if others have found a perfect size, smaller than the max, for this, or not.