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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Carafino Performance Board & Carbon Race Wings
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:37 pm 
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Hi all

We just want to prevent you that the wings see on the video are build by Taaroa :

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http://www.taaroa-kitefoil.com/fr/kitefoil/36-speed-set-sword.html

Mister Carafino has just put a sticker on it and will maybe try to make a copy.

So take care because all Carafino product will never arrive on European territory because there is a judicial procedure.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Carafino Performance Board & Carbon Race Wings
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:10 pm 
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This thread goes from strength to strength!

Naughty Mr Carafino.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Carafino Performance Board & Carbon Race Wings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:35 am 
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I thought you deleted that insulting post in the other thread
because "discussing with mister Carafino to find a solution"
Why don't you do this kind of insulting back stabbing between 2 of you :?:
You haven't even explained the advantages of your own product,
why it is better or cheaper and your website is not even in english :naughty:
And U come here to an international forum without any creditable support :argue: :blabla:
Can't you make your own thread and put your sh!t in yours :?:
You haven't even answered when somebody was asking:
"you worked for Cariffino and left to start your own company
with the lessons learned at Cariffino. please correct me if I am wrong."
WTF
I think if you'd like to sell your staff here on the forum it does the opposite
what you're doing so I would be afraid to buy it from you
and I would rather buy it from Carafino than from you :argue:

DrLW


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Carafino Performance Board & Carbon Race Wings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:38 am 
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DrLightWind wrote:
I thought you deleted that insulting post in the other thread
because "discussing with mister Carafino to find a solution"
Why don't you do this kind of insulting back stabbing between 2 of you :?:
You haven't even explained the advantages of your own product,
why it is better or cheaper and your website is not even in english :naughty:
And U come here to an international forum without any support :argue: :blabla:
Can't you make your own thread and put your sh!t in yours :?:
You haven't even answered when somebody was asking:
"you worked for Cariffino and left to start your own company
with the lessons learned at Cariffino. please correct me if I am wrong."
WTF
I think if you'd like to sell your staff here on the forum it does the opposite
what you're doing so I would be afraid to buy it from you
and I would rather buy it from Carafino than from you :argue:

DrLW


really?

You'd really shop with Carafino?

Says a lot about you Mr Lightwind.

And what does the language of his site have to do with anything?


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Carafino Performance Board & Carbon Race Wings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:37 am 
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DrLightWind wrote:
and your website is not even in english

Weird... seems like it is english to me... and there is a "language" option at the top right... ok maybe not everything is translated but seems enough to understand what you're buying...

The Sword is around for a while so if one is copying the other, no doubt who it is... Incredible to see this behaviour in such a small industry !


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Carafino Performance Board & Carbon Race Wings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:44 am 
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Dear All:

How are you and thanks for tuning in.

Carafino does not make stickers. We only make hydrofoils.

I think the competition is getting nervous.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Carafino Performance Board & Carbon Race Wings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:55 am 
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HELP!

This message just in from new owners of Sword Taaora Hydrofoils.

Ludovic <ludovic@taaroa-kitefoil.com>;

Hi Dear Mango.....

I'm not really surprise, but i think we need to be clear about this : viewtopic.php?f=196&t=2383364

So you have find a set of Taaroa speed wing and just put a sticker Carafino on it ? What did you expect ?

Do you really think we are stupid and we let you sell this product ? As i say it's really really to block your products with customer service. Even if you change your name....

And trust me when i say that i'm really good with internet and all of the world will know the truth.

Each time you will post a message i will wrote just after you, i will also create 10 website like carafinouk and when someone will seach Carafino on google they will found all bad pictures of your products.

So my question i what did you expect ?


Ludovic

Taaroa

Carafino will continue to move forward with the best quality customs and product hydrofoils in the world despite the threats from Sword Taaora.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Carafino Performance Board & Carbon Race Wings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:43 am 
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HI Guys:

I am going to bow out of this pissing match with Taaora.

My focus in on the foils coming to the market for hydrofoilers worldwide.

Hydrofoil kiteboarding is great experience for all to enjoy.

Carafino


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Carafino Performance Board & Carbon Race Wings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:31 am 
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Ok all, we have to make some explanation. First at all sorry my english, i will doing my best :D

I'm Ludovic, one of the manager of Taaroa.

Taaroa was the first importer of Carafino in France. Everything was good until Taaroa pay for an order and never receive products.

It's seem that Carafino got some trouble with his factory. So because we love foil and want to continue , we decide to build our own kitefoil.

After 1 year of developpement we created " Sword "

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for memorie the Carafino was freeride foil in 2 pieces, and the sword is a 1 piece race foil.

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......2 years after......

Carafino is coming back and want to sell new products.... the wings see in the picture is a set of Taaroa

We are really happy and we will encourage Mister Carafino for create a new foil.

But of course we will block any copy of our product.

I decided to delete some of my last mail because we were in discussion for finding a good solution. But until we were in discussion. Mister Carafino decide to put this video with our speed wings.

It's a good thing for customer if new foil arrive on market, but as you can imagine we will defend our brand and our creation.

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"you worked for Cariffino and left to start your own company
with the lessons learned at Cariffino. please correct me if I am wrong."


We never worked for Carafino, and as you can see we build a completely different foil.

We are sorry to disturb you , but we think that customer should know that this copy will be block in Europe and maybe more.

Quote:
You haven't even explained the advantages of your own product,


We are selling a race foil, high performance. We have sell more than 200 foils all over the world.
and our foil is use by several top rider :

Julien Kerneur & maxime nocher
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Alex Caizergues
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Johnny Heineken
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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Carafino Performance Board & Carbon Race Wings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:02 pm 
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Taaroa wrote:
Ok all, we have to make some explanation. First at all sorry my english, i will doing my best :D
I'm Ludovic, one of the manager of Taaroa.
Taaroa was the first importer of Carafino in France. Everything was good until Taaroa pay for an order and never receive products.
It's seem that Carafino got some trouble with his factory. So because we love foil and want to continue , we decide to build our own kitefoil.

After 1 year of developpement we created " Sword "
Thank you for the introduction
and for the professional technical explanation what we users wanted mainly to know :thumb:
Now it is up to us to the users when we want to buy one which one we will buy from. :jump:
I understand your frustration but unfortunately if you don't have any means of protection,
like worldwide or French Utility Patent for the one peace and material design
and Design Patent for the looks, than anybody can make, sell, duplicate your product anywhere, IMHO :roll:
That's my understanding since I studied a little bit patents for my own projects.
Obviously at the user end if the product works and having a special tech feature or quality & support,
what we the user want, maybe with a good price, that's what's important at the end.
Thank you again shedding some light to it so we can be shredding in light wind :lol:
Now I saw the option in english on your website since english is also my second language :thumb:

DrLW


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