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Re: Light LEI kites c",)

Postby Regis-de-giens » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:41 am

SparD wrote:Regis, my 3-strut 10m² OR Flite is lighter than your 1-strut 9m² LF Solo ! You should give it a try ! We can switch kites next time you come in Giens ;)
Yes with pleasure, this OR kite seems so promising ! I'll be there on 24-25 June, so we could switch kites and benefit from your higher experience on a foil; you said that the 10m weight is approx 2.74 kg right ? If The one is actually 9.0m, Solo is indeed closer to a 10m actually. We could pump them and compare their projected area on the ground.
My question now is to be a bit over-powered with the Solo.

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Re: Light LEI kites c",)

Postby Regis-de-giens » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:30 pm

Bingo ... LF solo tested and it is unfortunatelly as per prediction : too powered for me in hydrofoil. Differences with the airush one :
- better intake valve : filling up to 10 psi is very rapid and easy
- more reinforcements so seems less fragile.
- requires more wind to fly at the zenith compared to the one (but still less than my 3 strut rally)
- much more power
- much less agility
- depower is similar but it is harder to make it turn when depowered
- consequence is that when full depowered it tends to go toward the watersurface more rapidly and it is harder to reroute or counterbalance (need to sheet-in significantly)
- less upper range due to approx 0,8m2 added area.
- generate more speed and upwind abilities if speed is maintained.
- harder to loop in downwind when lines get slack.

Conclusion :
- i do not recommend it for light riders on a HF, due to small range between good flight and over power (indeed below the 10 knots where the one works already, i prefer using a foilkite for relaunchability)
- for heavier riders it could be an option
- i used it with TT on upper range (25-30 knots) and i never rode so fast ... so for a freeride directionnal board it should pull very fast and efficiently.

... I prefer the One for my use :D

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Re: Light LEI kites c",)

Postby Peter_Frank » Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:26 pm

ronnie wrote:The weights of the Cloud C.5 range of kites (including bridles) is:-

3.5m = 1.11 kg
5.5m = 1.30 kg
8.5m = 1.75 kg
13.5m = 2.24 kg

Snip...
Has anybody weighed their 13.5m2 or 17m2 Clouds, kite only with bridles ?
Does not matter if a bit of sand and salt on them, that is normal when weighing ones kites so you know it is the max weight :naughty:

Just to get an objective measurement :thumb:

Searched and havent found the weights, by users, yet ?

The lighter, the less durable (if reasonable construction), but better for hanging in lulls so always a compromise.

8) Peter
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Re: Light LEI kites c",)

Postby bigtone667 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:32 pm

Peter_Frank wrote:
ronnie wrote:The weights of the Cloud C.5 range of kites (including bridles) is:-

3.5m = 1.11 kg
5.5m = 1.30 kg
8.5m = 1.75 kg
13.5m = 2.24 kg

Snip...
Has anybody weighed their 13.5m2 or 17m2 Clouds, kite only with bridles ?
Does not matter if a bit of sand and salt on them, that is normal when weighing ones kites so you know it is the max weight :naughty:

Just to get an objective measurement :thumb:

Searched and havent found the weights, by users, yet ?

8) Peter
Haven't weighed them, but they are the lightest and smallest packages kites I own.

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Re: Light LEI kites c",)

Postby Peter_Frank » Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:34 pm

Please weigh the two biggest sizes you got, thank you :D

8) PF

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Re: Light LEI kites c",)

Postby opie » Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:54 pm

17m with bridle is 5.8 lbs.,

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Re: Light LEI kites c",)

Postby stevez » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:05 am

Peter_Frank wrote:
ronnie wrote:The weights of the Cloud C.5 range of kites (including bridles) is:-

3.5m = 1.11 kg
5.5m = 1.30 kg
8.5m = 1.75 kg
13.5m = 2.24 kg

Snip...
Has anybody weighed their 13.5m2 or 17m2 Clouds, kite only with bridles ?
Does not matter if a bit of sand and salt on them, that is normal when weighing ones kites so you know it is the max weight :naughty:

Just to get an objective measurement :thumb:

Searched and havent found the weights, by users, yet ?

8) Peter
These weights are genuine. I was curious myself, so weighed them on a kitchen scale and they actually came in slightly lighter:

3.5m = 1.09 kg
5.5m = 1.26 kg
8.5m = 1.69 kg
13.5m = 2.22 kg

At the time only the 2 smaller sizes had been used.

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Re: Light LEI kites c",)

Postby ronnie » Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:06 am

Peter_Frank wrote:
ronnie wrote:The weights of the Cloud C.5 range of kites (including bridles) is:-

3.5m = 1.11 kg
5.5m = 1.30 kg
8.5m = 1.75 kg
13.5m = 2.24 kg

Snip...
Has anybody weighed their 13.5m2 or 17m2 Clouds, kite only with bridles ?
Does not matter if a bit of sand and salt on them, that is normal when weighing ones kites so you know it is the max weight :naughty:

Just to get an objective measurement :thumb:

Searched and havent found the weights, by users, yet ?

The lighter, the less durable (if reasonable construction), but better for hanging in lulls so always a compromise.

8) Peter
Lighter can be less durable if the weight is there for durability. So rubbing strips add to durability (if in the right places) and a lightweight bladder is arguably more prone to leaking. The Clouds don't use a lightweight bladder etc, as Greg seems to use durable materials and reduces the weight by minimalist design.

5.8 lbs = 2.63 kg. ref the 17m C2, and the Average Joe's weighing of their 17m C2 on delivery was 2.74kg.

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Re: Light LEI kites c",)

Postby mig27 » Tue Aug 02, 2016 11:27 am

That means they are almost as lightweight, or even more lightweight than some race and free ride foilkites!!!

My Flysurfer Speed 5 12m with bridles brings 2700grams on the scale!
Probably more powerful than the C.5 13,5m2. But also a bit heavier. It mathes the 17,0m with pure weight!

Interesting, and a pity there is no reasonable exchange rate for European customers? Or do they ship from China as well directly to Europe?

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Re: Light LEI kites c",)

Postby Icharus » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:31 pm

theres a note on the BRM site saying they will only ship to USA. Maybe Greg anticipates Donald Trump's wall will make it too hard - either way its bad news for us Brits - anyone fancy "bringing in a couple of "keys" dont touch my bag if you please mr customs man" Apologies to Arlo Guthrie!


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