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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby stevez » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:55 pm

Yeah I feel the same, and after considering all options, I've got a set of stringy wings (what Greg Drexler from BRM uses) on it's way which I'm going to put on a zeeko alloy post. That's a big wing setup, but it's definitely not draggy by any account.

I think there are two drivers for this trend towards bigger wings:
* Wave riders looking to ride the smallest kite possible and shut it down completely once on the wave. Different from the powered up carving style that the zeeko spitfire is evidently suited to.
* Free riders, mainly strapless, looking to fly under low power, do lots of manoevres and loop and play with the kite a lot. I suppose Greg would be the standard bearer for this style (and no slouch on the waves either).

Both of these work well with big lightwind wings with a low speed and predictable stall.
It's not just newbies and kooks, but also a specialisation/differentiation of riding style and preferences. And it's a big and growing segment.

The new levitaz wing is huge, but they say it can do 50kph. The ketos FR2 wing is substantially larger than the original FR wing and much bigger than any moses wing.

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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby gmb13 » Wed May 03, 2017 9:00 am

I finally got the review of the Moses Comet 111 race foil is done.

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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby pitbulldoug » Tue May 09, 2017 5:08 am

Got to ride the 548 wing today in some pretty challenging wave conditions with new 2017 90cm fluente mast,definitely a improvement from my old 550 and 2016 mast for my style of riding and weight (225 lbs dry) more lift and a tad slower,kinda surprising how if you compare them by overlaying them they look fairly similar in size but the 548 with the new straighter mast works much better for me hands down.however think moses should consider a slightly bigger wing/slower wing for the bigger riders next year for riding waves, but the 548 is step in the right direction.been riding the MHl 2015 foil for a few years which IMO is a great set up,which now the moses with new set up I have is up to par with my older MHL but a bit faster for sure.pretty happy with the 548 and new mast looking forward to more testing.

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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby TomW » Tue May 09, 2017 9:08 pm

Pitbull,
I am beginner and have 12 sessions on the 2016 Fluente strut, and 10 of those on the 550 and only 2 on the 548. I'm flying back N forth. Really new at this.
What's the difference in rude between 16 and 17 Fluente strut? I'm not considering replacing it yet, just curious.
I'm 78 kg Dry.

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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby pitbulldoug » Tue May 09, 2017 11:29 pm

TomW wrote:
Tue May 09, 2017 9:08 pm
Pitbull,
I am beginner and have 12 sessions on the 2016 Fluente strut, and 10 of those on the 550 and only 2 on the 548. I'm flying back N forth. Really new at this.
What's the difference in rude between 16 and 17 Fluente strut? I'm not considering replacing it yet, just curious.
I'm 78 kg Dry.
Well Tom long answer here,but at your weight it might be more conducive the 550 wing for you as its for lighter riders in my opinion,but if you try the 548 and like it like I did you stick with it,I like the 548 for its lift,more consistent planning/foiling as the 550 with my weight would pogo a bit to much like a race wing which I don't like at all,I'm not a racer at all my thing is ocean riding waves as a surfer since 8 yrs old I'm trying to adapt foiling to wave riding somewhat realizing that I'm not going to smack the top of the wave off like i can regular surfing or with a wave kite power,but I'm really having a blast riding waves learning new foil/wave maneuvers as its quite difficult and like the challenge,that being said i like the 548 for me for swells/waves much better than the 550 its like riding a new surfboard for the first time when things really click quickly on a really magic board,kinda hard to explain with a foil but just could tell after first hour on the 548 that it was clearly better suited
for my riding style,too each his own of coarse.I like the 2017 mast as its straighter,as mast plate had to be slamed all the way forward in box tracks due to the masts curve which puts foil more aft,with the new one It rides similar in my mast track to my older foils which I'm used too after a few years now.Another thing that was weird on my old mast for some reason it would track out occasionally,kinda rock your heals unexplainably and put you off kilter for a second to regroup balance really strange,hated that and the new one just rides like it should,had none of that fortunately.I was not the biggest fan of my 2016 moses 550 wing and mast,was considering selling it quite frankly,but with the new mast and wing have me liking it much more now and will be riding it a lot this summer in NE brasil comparing it more with my other foils.At your riding level and weight Id just stick with it for a while though

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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby TomW » Wed May 10, 2017 9:23 pm

Thanks pitbull,

I'm not nearly at the level to make any distinctions. I'm making progress every session. I'm over in Sweden and there's only a hand full of guys foiling, most are on Zeeko, LF or Slingshot 2016 foils and 20-30 years younger than me.
My strut is in fixed position and it's taken last 2-3 sessions to really figure out where I should stand on board now that I have foot hooks. I've been on strapless surfboard 6-7 years and also grew up surfing and skateboarding in LA and prefer the freedom of strapless.
Right now I'm focusing on relaxing while flying, being dynamic in direction and adjusting altitude while flying. attempting surface transitions.
I couldn't feel any difference in 550 vs 548 at this point. I'll stick with it.
Hopefully Moses will make an even easier foil, but I suspect that by that time I'll have it dialed.
Booked my flights last week for a trip to Parajuru in October

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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby Pedro Marcos » Fri May 19, 2017 9:35 pm

Ok, so now ive the 548, 550, 558, 325 and 330 and just tested some:

I learned to foil in the Fluente 2017 setup which is 550 + 325.

Today, first i tested the 550 + 330: Ive to say that even if this setup its a little bit more stable then the 325 i prefer much more the ride of the 325, everything is more fluid. The 330 its definitely better and easier on transitions, but i think the 325 wins in everything else.

Then the wind dropped abit and i went for the 548 + 330: The 548 lifts at much lower foiling speed then the 550, but you easily find the "speed limit", i never found any instability or weirdness at speed with the 550, but when i pointed the 548 downwind and accelerated abit immediately i could feel the extra drag that was stopping me and also some vibrations. This wing is good in marginal winds because it lifts you up earlier, also the lift seems to be somehow more constant and less sensitive to body positioning than the 550. But as soon as you can get going with the 550, the 548 becomes pointless unless you are a total beginner, because the 550 its just so much smooth and fluid.

Will try the 558 in the next session, both with the 325 and 330 stabilizers.

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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby cwood » Sun May 21, 2017 12:22 am

I did the 550 and 558 back to back this week. The 558 is good for a few kph faster average and I found it more responsive. Needs a bit more speed to get going and felt twitchy till I got used to it. Seemed I could slow it down almost as much as the 550. 330 stab.

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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby Pedro Marcos » Sun May 21, 2017 12:30 am

Just tested today the 558 with the 325, im becoming a fan of the 325 stabilizer and i think i prefer over the 330 in all setups.

The 558 its more stable then the 550, and it also lifts you more for the same amount of speed, but it needs abit more speed then the 550 and the lift its not so "constant". The 558 its much easier then 550 regarding transitions because of the extra stability. Regarding top speed ive no idea, i dont think i ever reached top speed on the 550 and i wont on this 558 either, they both accelerate quite fast and are quite smooth.

I really think the 558 + 325 its a great setup, its more stable then the 550 + 325, but not like you are on a track like with the 330.

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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby Pedro Marcos » Sun May 28, 2017 10:26 pm

Today i just realiased that this: "I really think the 558 + 325 its a great setup, its more stable then the 550 + 325, but not like you are on a track like with the 330." its not true when you are more powered, it becomes too unstable if you want to put bigger angle on the mast


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