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How much downwind on Foil start do you point??

Postby Big Wally » Fri May 12, 2017 4:00 pm

As I have said before, I'm used to the short mast. I'm now trying the Long mast. How much downwind should I be pointing the Nose of the Board on the start? It seems that if I start parallel to the wind (windward rail of board is even to direction of wind/ Beam reach?) i go 5 feet and fall forward over board like I'm hitting a Brick!

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Re: How much downwind on Foil start do you point??

Postby BWD » Fri May 12, 2017 4:10 pm

Bend knees and start flattening board/getting over board as soon as you are moving. Weight on front foot. Sounds like you're picking up too much speed so foil starts lifting before you're on board. Unless I misunderstand what you meant...

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Re: How much downwind on Foil start do you point??

Postby Big Wally » Fri May 12, 2017 5:11 pm

I can't seem to get much speed up. I go over the Falls it seems before I get much speed.

I'm getting over the center of the board but then fall over Leeward.

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Re: How much downwind on Foil start do you point??

Postby cglazier » Fri May 12, 2017 5:22 pm

Point your board more toward the kite so it can move forward easily. Then keep weight on your front foot to keep the board down on the water as you pick up speed.
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Re: How much downwind on Foil start do you point??

Postby tegirinenashi » Fri May 12, 2017 5:37 pm

Are you powered up or underpowered? It is easier to do it fully powered up. Lower the kite to 45 degrees on a side of wind window. Edge board against the kite pull (need straps or hooks to keep mast horizontal). Try slightly adjusting the kite and board position pursuing it to get moving while you still are in water. This way you'll find the direction you'd waterstart most easily.

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Re: How much downwind on Foil start do you point??

Postby Big Wally » Fri May 12, 2017 5:50 pm

This makes sense. So while in water lower kite to 45 deg on one side, edge board keeping mast Horiz (facing down or horizontal with water surface? Than try to move some to find least resistance to start?

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Re: How much downwind on Foil start do you point??

Postby tegirinenashi » Fri May 12, 2017 7:10 pm

Disclaimer: I'm total beginner, but my memory struggling with long mast are still fresh. (And I didn't try short mast, as from other sports I knew that learned wrong technique has to be unlearned/corrected later).

On the first session I couldn't even get on board, so I lowered my expectations to be able to do some kind of body dragging while in water start ready position. "Waterstart ready" means mast horizontal, and consequently, the board hull/desk being vertical. You can drop the mast somewhat, I would say to 45 degree, but water starting with vertical mast is a no go. Feeling being slowly dragged in such waterstart ready position prepares your mind to the forces you'll expect during actual waterstart. After getting this kind experience you develop an instinctive feeling where this huge rudder and wings likes to be pointed to.

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Re: How much downwind on Foil start do you point??

Postby Big Wally » Fri May 12, 2017 7:17 pm

Got it! That completes the missing picture in my mind!! Thank you very much!!


Do you recommend 2 front "V" straps or ONE single inline front strap??


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Re: How much downwind on Foil start do you point??

Postby gmb13 » Fri May 12, 2017 7:27 pm

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Re: How much downwind on Foil start do you point??

Postby tegirinenashi » Fri May 12, 2017 7:30 pm

Never tested V. My setup on the first session was a lonely front hook. This equipment deficiency contributed to the failure because it is almost impossible to apply the force preventing mast from sinking. On second session I added very loose back strap. Now I was able to hold the board on its side for prolonged time. However, yanked out of this strap violently convinced me to never go back to straps again and amend my setup to two hooks (front and back), which I'm using ever since.
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