I agree the first couple generations of Clouds weren't that great. Yes the Kites flapped and jerked a bit much, especially the larger sizes. Having ridden every generation, I think BRM finally nailed it with the new D kites. Way smoother, less fluttering when depowering and restarts are super fast. I still like the idea of the one strut design (I had the original ONE by air rush) and thought it was a really good light wind option. In terms of small and light packing for travel though, the strutless can't be beat. Hcglazier wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:43 amMy experiences with strutless kites (the Cloud) were not very positive. They are fast kites but they do not do well in higher winds (kite flapping and jerky). They do have a retro appeal with a very simple control bar and light kite construction. They remind me of my first Wipika kite in 1999. Luckily I never had to relaunch a Cloud but my friends say can be done eventually with skill.. unless it's in waves. I don't want to offend the Cloud cult following but strutless kites are not what I would recommend. Even Naish has now discontinued it's strutless kite.
Normally I fly foil kites (Chrono 2) in light or medium winds but there are some sketchy launch spots and wave locations where I prefer an inflatable kite. A good option for very light wind which I chose (and a lot of kiters in Maui seem to have chosen this year) is a one strut kite like the new Naish Boxer or the North Mono or others. The single strut kite still is a very light kite but with much better wind range and relaunch capabilities. The single strut holds the kite shape, not as well as a 3 or 5 strut kite but much better than a strutless one. None of these kites will go upwind as well or go as fast as a 3 or 5 strut kite but sometimes that doesn't matter.
So what do you and your friends call the vertical structural inflated anti compression member on a kite as posted here?
cglazier wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:43 amMy experiences with strutless kites (the Cloud) were not very positive. ... Luckily I never had to relaunch a Cloud but my friends say can be done eventually with skill.. unless it's in waves. I don't want to offend the Cloud cult following but strutless kites are not what I would recommend. Even Naish has now discontinued it's strutless kite.
All the GONG kites I own have just average turning speed, but they have excellent direct feedback, while maintaining very soft sheeting pressure. So I love the compromise they have chosen.max wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:15 pm
As for the Gong 9m Strutless, I have the bridle set on default middle knot and rear lines on fastest setting . . . but it still feels slow on the turn though I am still getting used to it. Turn well I think when i use some rear line tension and hard pull on the bar . . . OR . . . am i doing it wrong Dwight?
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