Pedro Marcos wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:50 pm
Mossy 757 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:27 pm
abel wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:29 pm
At under 10 knots??
I can ride comfortably on my ElfJoker7 15m and Delta hydrofoil up to about 17 knots on 17m lines, beyond that I get too overpowered to hold it down and get dragged downwind where I can't edge upwind. It really shines in the 12-15 knot range.
I think anyone who says they're overpowered on a 15m in 10 knots doesn't know what 10 knots of wind is...
You are not a beginner , 17m it's not normal kite length lines and the delta foil has a small front wing .
Put a beginner on 25m lines and 15m foil kite , with a big foil wing and he will immediately overpowered in 10 knots or maybe less .
I've been there !
I would love to do that experiment back to back. I think the only metric you'd see change would be speed; those slower foils wouldn't be able to get up and run like the Delta because of drag. I think their lowend would be about the same, and certainly the Delta is easier to ride if you know how to handle it when it starts going fast. I also don't think 99% of people with that price point of foil take the time to properly tune their setup; that adds another variable to the conversation. I'l also admit, it's possible to find the high end of most kites with a hydrofoil, if you're even barely overpowered there's a point of sail where you can find yourself uncontrollably lit with apparent wind. This happens with any boat in a blow and you learn to sail safe points of sail that are controllable and give you the ability to quickly bleed speed or power up as necessary to maneuver safely in strong conditions. This restricts the sense of freedom of the foil a bit, but isn't what I call overpowered...knowing that I can't broad reach with the kite low and the trimmer all the way out is just a fact in heavy air.
As far as line length, I'm definitely not on a setup I'd recommend for a beginner, but only just barely. I learned foil kites on 24m then mostly 21m lines until I switched to 17's for the last few sessions. Once you know how to make a foil kite "pop" you out of the water, the short lines are actually easier to ride, maneuvers are way simpler. Line extensions are easy to play with, takes like 5 minutes to switch them out during a session to see what it's like. 13m lines with 4m extensions and 8m extensions would cover a full range of experiments and broaden an existing quiver by like 10%. It's definitely a good place to look before saying you're over powered, it's amazing what can be achieved by sizing down, I feel like I get a significant increase in top end power holding on the short lines. It's also possible to cut stretched lines and do a splice, so if you want to play around with overstretched lines you can do so without worrying too much if you mess 'em up.
So much of it is gear tuning, that's not "inside racer" stuff, it's just knowing how your stuff works and then adjusting accordingly. I'd also wager that a lot of "overpowered" situations were also accentuated by a bar that was out of tune without the user's knowledge...tell me I'm wrong