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Re: The secret to easier air gibes and tacks?

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:25 pm
by Mossy 757
Peter_Frank wrote:
Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:04 pm
Why this aversion against using a more nuanced and detailed description of what we do out there, when we share and respond here ?

Apparently it is needed, and nothing goes off any legal situations or anything else whatsoever, you are still changing direction and tack no matter what you call it.

Racers dont give a f... as it does not concern them, but for the majority not racing, it makes everything easier when using simple more describing words instead of long sentences, for the things we really care highly about and do, also the NO DOUBT most important and very discussed topic, namely how to carve and how to jibe :rollgrin:

Carving for turning around without switching feet, and jibing when also switching feet :D

But of course, if most in here do not want to distinguish easily between one or another type of turn, I rest my case.

8) PF

You can make up whatever words you want, but the name for what happens when your bow crosses the wind is a tack, and when your stern crosses the wind it's a gybe. Those are the words, regardless of whether you choose to use them or acknowledge their primacy in the maritime domain.

Re: The secret to easier air gibes and tacks?

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:05 pm
by Starsky
I'm with Mossy.

A tack is a tack, a jybe a jybe. With or without the foot change.

Re: The secret to easier air gibes and tacks?

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:02 am
by bigtone667
I'm with Mossy too.

I see your point Peter, but foot changes are not relevant to tacking, gybing, starboard or port.

I admit that it certainly creates confusion in my mind determining port or starboard when switching between natural, goofy stances, healside and toeside.

Re: The secret to easier air gibes and tacks?

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:41 am
by bragnouff
So with the definitions that have been debated above, I'd say The secret to easier air gibes and tacks is to... Never change foot! Works pretty well, none of that jerkiness!

Please come up with a new topic " The secret to easier foot changes during air gibes and tacks?"

Re: The secret to easier air gibes and tacks?

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:25 am
by junebug
I'm with Peter Frank. A turn without a foot switch is either a carve to toeside or a 180, not a tack or a jibe. It takes a foot switch to make it a jibe or tack. Sailing is a useful analogue, but kiteboarding is sui generis. For this reason, the terminology for sailing is not perfectly adaptable to kiteboarding. We have cross wind turns for which sailing concepts just don't apply.

Re: The secret to easier air gibes and tacks?

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:00 am
by bigtone667
The unwinable argument.

Re: The secret to easier air gibes and tacks?

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:58 am
by windmaker
Starsky wrote:
Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:05 pm
I'm with Mossy.

A tack is a tack, a jybe a jybe. With or without the foot change.
Kindly disagree. The origin of those words comes from sailing were there is only one way of executing those manoeuvres. A boat does not know the difference between switch and normal riding, goofy or regular stance.

Re: The secret to easier air gibes and tacks?

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:39 pm
by Starsky
Whatever. Call it what you like. In a boat it doesn't matter what side you sit on, its still a tack or a jibe. Its directional with regard to the craft, not the occupant.

As mentioned. If it ever came down to dissecting conflict between two parties on the water. The accuracy of the language is already established. No one is gonna give a shit if you hadn't switched your feet. If you turned downwind from one tack to another and caused an issue, it doesn't matter if you carved right back onto your original tack, you technically jibed and caused the problem.

Re: The secret to easier air gibes and tacks?

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:06 pm
by Kamikuza
Is it still a starboard tack if I'm riding toeside?

:D

Re: The secret to easier air gibes and tacks?

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:10 pm
by Jzh_perth
I'm lazy and don't foot switch.... ever. My toeside is as strong as my heel side so I've neglected to practice my switch stance all last season. This summer the goal is to learn the upwind tack to toeside and back again so I can ride upwind without having to throw a tight (gybe) to change direction. I had ambitions of learning race style gybes but I stopped course racing and focused on the waves and it all went out the window.