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Re: Learning in very choppy conditions

Postby plummet » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:13 pm

Rufusz wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:57 pm
Only if you are getting confident in low wind flat conditions then go out in higher winds and chop.
Nah. Tat doesn't work for me. Go out in all conditions. Sure yourl get hammered in some conditions. But it will make you better faster. If I ignored all but the easiest foiling conditions I would hardly ever foil.

Flag the stupid short mast and go straight to full length. As others have said speed is your friend, keep the foil as low as practical. Try at all costs not to vent a wing.

Chop by its self is very easy if the chop height is less than mast height. Go fast and slice straight through.
When you have chop on swell and or ground swell one direction and chop from another with peaks and troughs higher than mast height you have a challenge that can't be solved with just slicing through. In that instance you need to follow the contours of the ground swell while slicing the chop.

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Re: Learning in very choppy conditions

Postby Peter_Frank » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:16 pm

Agree with everything Plummet wrote :thumb:

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Re: Learning in very choppy conditions

Postby Rufusz » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:24 pm

I'm yet to see as gusty conditions as ours on see, like Today with lulls to zero, gusts 15-18kn and wind direction changes.

'eating shit' in these conditions while learning doesn't help a lot imho.

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Re: Learning in very choppy conditions

Postby Mossy 757 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:22 pm

Rufusz wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:24 pm
I'm yet to see as gusty conditions as ours on see, like Today with lulls to zero, gusts 15-18kn and wind direction changes.

'eating shit' in these conditions while learning doesn't help a lot imho.
Gusty is one thing, but that affects your kite more than what's under your feet. This is a thread about chop, not gusts :wink:

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Re: Learning in very choppy conditions

Postby Rufusz » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:22 pm

I thought this thread is about learning in choppy conditions... surely gusts do help with that :wink:

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Re: Learning in very choppy conditions

Postby BWD » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:27 pm

Many years ago in a galaxy far, far away,
I chose to learn kiting in cabarete with chop and deep water
instead of OBX shallow flats
And on a directional, Twintip was barely even a thing then
Don't regret it
Most of my first 8 foil sessions have been in chop over small swell,
with a big wing that really feels the chop.
Feels like I suck now, but I know I'm learning things I'll need to be good later.
Have to pay the dues, sooner or later

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Re: Learning in very choppy conditions

Postby lovethepirk » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:50 am

slowboat wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:32 pm
Since I have only foiled 4x, I am still using a 24 inch (60 cm) mast. Would a longer mast help with the wind chop? It seems I will just go up and down even more.
You are probably a few sessions if not 1 session away from foiling over all the chop. I learned in chop and swells on a race foil, it's a bitch. You should also use a larger mast as others have stated.

Are you still riding the board in the water? If so the chop will affect you, otherwise as others stated once you are steadily foiling the chop means nothing. You will need to ride the swells like you would on a boat with a beer in hand. You predict the movement and ride the ocean with your legs adjusting whereby you don't spill your beer. Sometimes you bring you knees up towards you sometimes you push them away from you....all in an effort to keep that freaking foil in the water so you don't eat shit!

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Re: Learning in very choppy conditions

Postby Kamikuza » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:19 am

Flat water isn't an option here. If there's enough wind to kite, there's chop. Very rarely, we get just enough wind to foil with the biggest kites and flat water. It's magical, when you're used to chop :) nice for a change, but I prefer some swell to keep things amusing.

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Re: Learning in very choppy conditions

Postby TomW » Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:35 pm

You gotta go out in conditions that are pushing your limits. Session 13 or so I went out over powered on my 7 in super messy chop and swell. I was getting up and flying and crashing / ventilating all over the place. It was tough, I hurt and was pretty happy I got up flying at all during that session.
Next session was normal chop and waves ( 0,5 m windswell with chop on top) on the 12 and it seemed easy. Which session 12 was hard..


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