grigorib wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:49 pm
My experience is that with high area / low aspect (MHL 2013) wings the stall speed is very low, so at first kite dive I'm up and foiling. When I demoed the Slingshot Hoverglide and rode the Ghost Whisper I felt I'm rather deflecting (thank you for the word!) before I gain more speed - but at the same low speed I'd be foiling already on the MHL where that "deflection" part is almost non-existent.
Any yes, no crap, transition from deflection mode to foiling through the stall point is iffy
So another question - since the "beginner" wings are so good at lowend (and they're so fun at the lowend!), what are the modern wing models as good as those are? Lift130? Or maybe Lift110 would do just fine?
A bit more knowledge that might help:
Higher drag does NOT mean lower take off speed, this is a common misconception.
But of course, as both bigger and more cambered wings has more drag, some think it is connected this way, but it is just reverse
In the case above where you feel they are very different, it can be so many other causes, like the actual profile, the stabilizer, the angle etc etc, that gives you the very different feel - so I would not base experience mostly on the wing size and AR, as this will be misleading very often.
In general, there is a huge difference in low versus high AR wings:
Low AR wings will create tip vortices that change the AoA of the waterstream a lot "back" when you increase AoA, meaning you can ride with a lot higher AoA without stalling, thus they will not be pitch sensitive.
They will almost not stall but can be ridden at extremely high AoA without stalling, and they will also give you a warning (on some wings) in terms of a slight feel or vibration so you know you are about to go too slow now.
So on these it might feel like you ride on "deflection" only, but it is still the same lift as any wing uses, it is just because they can be pushed to way higher angles without stalling, that you get this idea
High AR wings are a lot more pitch sensitive, and if you push too hard with your rear foot at too low speed, they will stall over the entire or most of the wing, without warning, and it feels like an elevator where the cable snaps
So low AR bigger wings are WAY easier to ride, they compensate for rider errors hugely and turn faster because of less span.
But high AR wings, everything else being equal, can ride in a tad less wind actually, start at a slower speed (but very little difference, hardly noticeable).
The major advantage is a lot less drag, particularly when going upwind, so because of this they can ride in even less wind and go a lot better upwind (and downwind).
They wont turn as fast as lower AR wings, so there is a big tradeoff in terms of fun yes.
You like big and early starting wings right now, but for many they can become boring pretty fast.
Why is this ?
Because, it feels draggy, you dont accelerate "freely" anymore like a faster wing does even without much kitepower, and furthermore a tad smaller not too high AR wing can turn really really fast so the best of both worlds.
Personal likings only, but when the waves and wind picks up a bit, I definitely choose a smaller also medium or low AR wing for freestyle and waves, way more fun (for me).
And in lighter winds/small waves, bigger low AR wings are the most fun.
When really light, bigger and higher AR wings are my choice, as they can ride in the least possible wind.