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Re: toeside 180 tack . . . anyone got advice

Postby Peter_Frank » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:24 pm

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Re: toeside 180 tack . . . anyone got advice

Postby junebug » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:45 pm

I’m riding with 2 front straps for now. I want to get toeside 180s/360s and tacks nailed down to near 100% before I take the straps off, which will be a while.

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Re: toeside 180 tack ... anyone got advice

Postby junebug » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:21 am

Are you guys looping your toeside 180s? I don’t loop my heelside 180s, but I’m finding I need the loop to help get my board around on toeside 180s. It’s probably because I’m bleeding too much speed on the upwind carve, but I’m wondering if is best to learn the toeside 180 with a loop and then drop the loop once I’m more efficient at the upwind carve. I watched a bunch of BRM videos yesterday, and it looks like Drexler often loops his toeside 180s.

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Re: toeside 180 tack ... anyone got advice

Postby Pedro Marcos » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:50 am

junebug wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:21 am
Are you guys looping your toeside 180s? I don’t loop my heelside 180s, but I’m finding I need the loop to help get my board around on toeside 180s. It’s probably because I’m bleeding too much speed on the upwind carve, but I’m wondering if is best to learn the toeside 180 with a loop and then drop the loop once I’m more efficient at the upwind carve. I watched a bunch of BRM videos yesterday, and it looks like Drexler often loops his toeside 180s.
It really depends on how much power you have, if you are riding underpowered like Drexler you will need loop almost all the time to be able to keep on the foil.

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Re: toeside 180 tack ... anyone got advice

Postby junebug » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:08 pm

I'm starting to get toeside 360s sorted. I have a few observations:

1. Unlike heelside 360s, I find it way harder to do toeside 360s in switch than in regular. I have a much harder time getting the nose of the board around in switch because my boardriding skills in switch aren't as natural and the upwind carve is extreme.
2. I'm still getting the timing figured out, but I need to pull in on the bar and start the downwind dive in the opposite direction much sooner than I would have thought.
3. Speed is essential to learn this maneuver. You have to carve hard enough upwind to get on the other side of the lines, which requires more speed than I realized.
4. It seems like I should just be able to take the same principles from heelside 360s and apply them toeside, but it feels so different from heelside my brain just doesn't really work in the moment. I guess I just have to do them over and over, varying things a little bit every time, until it feels right.
5. This maneuver puts a lot of pressure on my shoulder because of the arm position when you carve upwind and creates a lot of tension in my biceps muscles because I'm doing a one-handed loop. This is not a good maneuver to learn for someone with shoulder problems. It may be possible to do them with two hands on the bar to relieve some of the bicep tension, but that puts the upper body in a really awkward position.
6. Just like when I learned heelside 360s/180s, I'm finding toeside 360s much easier than 180s. For 180s, I'm having a difficult time figuring out how to time coming out of the kiteloop to stop at 180. If anyone has any insight on this I'd love to hear it.

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Re: toeside 180 tack ... anyone got advice

Postby juandesooka » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:23 pm

Good on ya Junebug. It's spring and I am turning my mind to this again ... got up the courage to initiate the upwind turn a couple times yesterday, as expected, yard sale falling off the backwards with kite loop. LOL

I am going to do another land session with trainer first to get my head around the mechanics. Also going to focus on tacks on surfboard too, to get the upwind turn process dialed in before involving the extra bits with the foil. Much like backrolls, I have some mental block about this ... and probably like backrolls, "easy once you know how". ;-)

Also going to wait til water and temps warm up more. At the stage of foiling that I might go a session cruising without any water in my suit. Working on moves means crashes, with sudden flush of water....brrrrr.


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