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Re: toeside 180 tack ... anyone got advice

Postby junebug » Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:47 pm

Pedro Marcos wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:13 am
junebug wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:24 am
So, sorry this thread has become just me posting about my experience learning this maneuver, but I am finally starting to figure out the 180. My problem, carried over from learning the 360 first, was that I was diving the kite too early and too aggressively. I knew this had to change to get the 180, but, for some reason, I had a mental block about delaying the kite dive and being less aggressive with it. It finally clicked today. Although my success rate was still low, today, I was at least able to stop the rotation and ride out 180, even though the board was on the water almost every try. I’m still dangling my body too much from the harness instead of putting my weight on my feet, which is probably what is causing me bleed speed and come off the foil.

Looking forward to working on these over the next few weeks and months.
I find that being more powered helps with the 180. You are used to loop the kite for the 360, so you have plenty of power, now if you dont loop it the powered will be much less, and power is crucial for the direction change without touching down.

At first i could not do the 180s with my big kites in lightwind because of this, not enough pull in the opposite direction.
Great tip! I usually fly somewhat underpowered, but I went out a couple of days ago on my 9m tube in 15kn winds. I was finally able to get the timing right to stay on foil all the way around consistently. The final piece of the puzzle for me was timing the upwind carve with the kite moving across apex and the feeling of overflying my lines and turning my hand above my head to dive the kite aggressively in the new direction.

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Re: toeside 180 tack ... anyone got advice

Postby ulx » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:38 pm

I was quite comfortable with the maneuver already but have pain in one wrist at the moment. So I tried to reduce the pressure when leaning into it. So just before turning and leaning into it I rode downwind for some meters. And I couldn't believe that I didn't think of that months ago. It is so much easier that way. And so obvious really. Like doing a sharp turn on a bike. There you steer to the opposite direction first, too, to get the center of gravity into the curve.
I hope that makes any sense.

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Re: toeside 180 tack ... anyone got advice

Postby Qiter » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:28 pm

Is there any video tutorial on this maneuver? I have only found the BRM videos and some Horue ones where you dont really see kite positioning?
Gunnar, one for your tutorial series?

Thanks!

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Re: toeside 180 tack ... anyone got advice

Postby grigorib » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:48 pm

Qiter wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:28 pm
Is there any video tutorial on this maneuver? I have only found the BRM videos and some Horue ones where you dont really see kite positioning?
Gunnar, one for your tutorial series?

Thanks!
Is it not funny how people watch tricks videos and focus on hands position and bar pressure :)

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Re: toeside 180 tack ... anyone got advice

Postby junebug » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:50 pm

Qiter wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:28 pm
Is there any video tutorial on this maneuver? I have only found the BRM videos and some Horue ones where you dont really see kite positioning?
Gunnar, one for your tutorial series?

Thanks!
I found this when I was learning. I can’t translate it, but it does show the kite pretty well:

phpBB [video]

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Re: toeside 180 tack ... anyone got advice

Postby grigorib » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:55 pm

junebug wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:50 pm
Qiter wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:28 pm
Is there any video tutorial on this maneuver? I have only found the BRM videos and some Horue ones where you dont really see kite positioning?
Gunnar, one for your tutorial series?

Thanks!
I found this when I was learning. I can’t translate it, but it does show the kite pretty well:

phpBB [video]
He says “you gotta release bar pressure when turning, therefore it’s easier to do the trick with smaller kite that turns faster and drops power easier. ...In the turn push the foil up to release the depower line tension even more when kite reaches zenith and kind of lay onto the depower line through the turn”
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Re: toeside 180 tack ... anyone got advice

Postby junebug » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:07 pm

Thanks! That would’ve been helpful a few months ago, although I agree with Pedro Marcos, who posted that this is easier to learn well-powered. Now I find them easier to do underpowered, but, when learning, I thought more power was easier.


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